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Glock 27: I've got very little accuracy at anything over 25 feet.

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by TheOtherOne, Jan 8, 2003.

  1. TheOtherOne

    TheOtherOne Well-Known Member

    My friend has a full size .45 that I shot once, and I wasn't too bad with it but it's safe to say that I'm a horrible shot with the sub compact Glock .40 that I always carry. I'm not too bad when the target is only 15-25 feet away... but if I put it much beyond that I can't hit anything!

    Just keep practicing? Does anyone have any good tips on improving my accuracy with this gun?
  2. Croyance

    Croyance Well-Known Member

    Is the grip too short for your hands? Maybe you need extensions on the magazine.
    Do you get a consistent grip on the gun? That can also affect accuracy.
    Is the .45 ACP you refer to also a Glock?
  3. TheOtherOne

    TheOtherOne Well-Known Member

    The full size .45 was a Glock. I can't remember the model number.

    I do have a pearce extension on one of my mags. My hands aren't huge, but when I use the mag without the extension I've got no place to put my pinky. The one with the extension does give me a place to put my pinky, but neither one seemed to make much of a difference in my accuracy.

    One thing I noticed is when I was aiming for the center of the target all my hits were to the lower right of it. I even tried aiming to the upper left and I was still hitting in the lower right.
  4. Sean Smith

    Sean Smith Well-Known Member

    The sights could be off, but it could also just be a trigger control issue.
  5. JPM70535

    JPM70535 Well-Known Member

    Could be that you have a problem similar to the one I have. Glocks just don't point right for me. When I bring the Glock up on target it always lines up high. By that I mean every shot taken with any speed always prints high. The grip angle just isn't right for me. 1911 type grip angle points and hits dead center. Same for S&W autos. Could be you have the same problem.

    When I slow fire the Glock the problem disappears so I know the sights are dead on.
  6. Omaha-BeenGlockin

    Omaha-BeenGlockin Well-Known Member

    Not to discourage you from getting better with your gun---but---I view my G27 as a last ditch self defense gun------if my G27 comes out--they are going to be close-real close. At those ranges---the accuracy of my big-bore blaster isn't going to matter much----because at that range you can't miss.

    My first course of action is to get the heck outta Dodge---so hopefully I don't have to use my Glock in the first place.
  7. Zak Smith

    Zak Smith Moderator Staff Member

    You should be able to hit a 10" square plate at 25 yards (75 feet) with a Glock 27.

    The best way I've found to improve is to use NRA-style handgun "Bullseye" targets at short range (7 yards) to figure out what you're doing wrong.

  8. Graystar

    Graystar Well-Known Member

    The .40 round doesn't seem to be as accurate as .45, or so I've heard. My Glock 23 seemed great from the bench! But besides that, .40 is a more powerful round, so there's more recoil. You need to have better follow-through and a better grip in order to make accurate shots.

    Another problem, specific to the subcompacts, is that the sights are too close together. Not only does that mean that tiny misalignments give greater errors, but, in the case of Glock sights, you can barely see the space on either side of the front post when trying to align the sights. I find it difficult to align the stock sights on the subcompact.

    So how do you fix these issues? For better follow-through, you might have to adjust your shot process. What I do is to look for, and feel for, the trigger stop. That is to say, that when I take a shot, my shot isn't completed until I feel the increased pressure of an immobile trigger on my finger. This act forces me to try to maintain alignment for just a hair longer than I would otherwise. This is so because I'm no longer concerned with the break point, but with the backstop. This causes me to squeeze through the break point smoothly and lets the shot break as more of a surprise. And anything you do that lets you maintain your position while the gun goes through the process of letting off a shot, will improve your follow-through.

    As for your grip...grip harder. Don't just squeeze the grip like a tennis racket (which is more like wrapping your hand around the grip)....do it more like trying to squeeze the juice out of a lemon (which is more like pressing the grip into your palm.) The more solidly the gun's grip is against your palm, the more it acts as an extension of your hand.

    Also, it seems that a naturally aligning grip is more important with the .40. So practice griping the gun in such a way that the sights are already aligned when you bring the gun up.

    As for the sights...change them. But first, try to widen the rear notch with a sharp file. If it doesn't work out then get some quality sights on there, like Heine Slant-Pro or something like that.
  9. J.Gillespie

    J.Gillespie Well-Known Member

    This was sent to me from a member here. Maybe it will help you also. Check out the web site. There is alot of useful info.

  10. Ala Dan

    Ala Dan Member in memoriam

    Greeting's All,

    Quite to the contrary, I have found that the .40 caliber
    Glock model 27 out performed my Glock 23; and SIGARMS
    P229! Groups were smaller, and recoil and muzzle blast
    didn't seem as terriffic; when shooting factory fodder!

    Best Wishes,
    Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
  11. Admiral Thrawn

    Admiral Thrawn Well-Known Member

    Would the 9 x 19mm Parabellum (Luger) be more accurate, theoretically, than either the .40 S&W or the .45ACP?

    And what about the .357 SIG?

    As far as I know, the difference is pretty minimal... you should be able to hit a small target at 25ft with the gun/caliber combination you're talking about if you get your technique right.
  12. Preacherman

    Preacherman Well-Known Member

    I second Ala Dan on this. My G27 is an incredibly accurate little shooter, and gets tighter groups than my G23 and G22. In the same way, my G33 gets tighter groups than my G31. I think the shorter barrel is somehow "stiffer" than the longer one, and perhaps another factor is because of the shorter sight radius, I take greater trouble about the sight picture. Suffice it to say that while I prefer a longer barrel to get the velocity up, I'm very happy with either a G27 or G33 if concealment requires me to carry one of them.
  13. TheOtherOne

    TheOtherOne Well-Known Member

    Thanks for all the good information and thanks for that link to the target. I'm going to print that out and check out some of the others on that site.

    One last question... what kind of ammo do you all use for target practice? I've just been buying the cheapest boxes they have at Wal-Mart which is Winchester 180 gr. FMJ. $10 a box... but it still hurts to know everytime I squeeze the trigger I'm throwing almost a whole quarter away! :)
  14. Lennyjoe

    Lennyjoe Well-Known Member

    Was off center with my G19 when I first got it. Try shooting it from a supported structure. Bench rest type of unit. It was dead on and showed me that it was the shooter. Then went to using this chart below and it helped immensley. Have fun.[​IMG]
  15. denfoote

    denfoote Well-Known Member

    If this is your first Glock, then all you need to do is get used to the trigger. Glock triggers are like nothing out there!! They take practice to master. I know, I own three and I'm still working on it!!
  16. New_comer

    New_comer Well-Known Member

    15-25 feet? That's just around 5-8 yards/steps away :eek:

    You may be flinching, since the 40's recoil is much more pronounced than that of a 45's.

    Just relax, Kimosabe.

    It won't bite you.

    Breath in, out... hold.... then press straight back.... easy.... easy...


    You're cured! ;)
  17. 10-Ring

    10-Ring Well-Known Member

    I learned when I started shooting compact & sub compact guns that they tend to be less forgiving than their larger, longer bretheren. I would recommend more trigger time & practice, practice, practice.
  18. curt

    curt Well-Known Member

    for shot to shot consistency(read small groups) you need a consistent grip. That is hard with the G27 especially if you have large hands like i do. The recoil is pretty good and the grips are small. You might want to try some sort of grip enhancer like the hogue or the agrip. I use agrip which helps keep the gun from squirming too much and doesn't grab at my clothing when carry concealed as i suspect the hogue might. Flinching and subsequent trigger pull problems can be a problem with this gun due to recoil and blast which is magnified if you are shooting on an indoor range.
  19. BLiTzNicK

    BLiTzNicK Well-Known Member

    I could shoot my G27 pretty well for the first 2 mags full. After that, I got recoil shy and had shotgun sized groupings. My cure was to get a G26. That fixed me right up.
  20. Al Thompson

    Al Thompson Moderator Staff Member

    TOO, do you have a .22 handgun? If not, I think that getting one may be the cost effective solution to your problem. Good to get the basics down first and apply them to other handguns down the line.

    PS - I test fired a G27 and noted that with ball ammo accuracy was not too good. Switched to Federal JHPs and really tightened up the groups.

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