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Glock, Ruger, or S&W?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Godsgunman, Feb 13, 2013.

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  1. jon_in_wv

    jon_in_wv Well-Known Member

    Three flavors of the same Kool-Aid. Try to shoot all three and I'm sure the choice will become clear.

    Personally I have never liked the feel or trigger as much as the M&P. My M&P 9C has over 10000 rounds downrange and it has been a superb pistol.
  2. JR24

    JR24 Well-Known Member

    This is a good point. From my personal experience, I've found that with my small hands, the manual safety is in exactly the right position to swipe off as I draw. Not quite like a 1911, but actually pretty close to my Hi-Power. So, for me, the safeties don't make much of a difference. I could see it being an issue if you have big hands though.
  3. dprice3844444

    dprice3844444 member

    normal non work pocket carry is a glock 26.got a gen 1,2,3 g17 for work,2 g19c's for play.only extra mags i buy are g17's cause they fit all the above.sent the 26 and the 2 19c's back to glock to install the round triggers.serrated kept aggravating my trigger finger after 100 rounds.they changed em free.
  4. TarDevil

    TarDevil Well-Known Member

    The thumb safety causes me absolutely no issues either... quite easy to manipulate. I don't understand why any other safety devices would impede either self defense or competition. I'm willing to listen, though...
  5. Sam1911

    Sam1911 Moderator

    A thumb safety I can work with. I use a 1911 a lot after all. Generally they're fine. (Never could get used to the one on a CZ, unfortunately...just something about the location of the pivot point that made it not work correctly at speed.)

    A magazine disconnect is awful in competition as you cannot unload and show clear -- and then drop the hammer -- without reinserting a magazine first, which is a total hassle and has to be explained to the SOs each time. You've got to keep an extra, empty magazine on hand to do that with as no SO is going to let you insert a loaded mag after your "show clear" step. Just a pain in the butt. We do deal with it with the Hi-Powers and a few other guns that come with mag safeties, but it is awkward complexity for no good purpose.

    As far as a loaded chamber flag? That's really just an eyesore more than anything else, but like any other mechanical device, the more moving parts, the more stuff there is to break or get fouled somehow.

    Ruger has gone so overboard with the various safeties and the lovely "billboard" printed down the side, etc, that they're starting to be a caricature of prudent care. So overdone it's galling and absurd.


    None of that necessarily makes one a bad fit or a bad choice for a carry weapon, but I use my carry weapons extensively in competition as a way to develop proficiency with them. I would not use the Ruger in competition, so I wouldn't personally be considering it for purchase.
  6. Just One Shot

    Just One Shot Well-Known Member

    My personal preference would be the S&W M&P 1st, Ruger 2nd and the Glock 3rd. I've currently own a G26 (2nd one) and I have owned many other Glocks (19, 21, 30-2 and 36) and while they are dependable, none of them impress me in the area ergonomics. My fingers are too thick for G26 and even with Pearce +0 mag extensions it just doesn't feel right in my hand.

    I have owned the Ruger SR9C and I really liked the capacity in such a small gun plus it had a good feeling grip. If I could find another one reasonably priced I would snatch it up. I currently own a S&W M&P .40 Compact and a M&P Shield .40 and both have been outstanding. The .40C is about the same thickness as the G26 but the interchangable backstraps make it feel better (I have the CT laser on mine which is equal to the largest backstrap). The Shield is by far the easiest to conceal and while it doesn't have removable backstraps, it is made to mimick the medium strap that comes on the other M&Ps which is the size that about 90% of the M&P owners use anyways.

    Best thing for you to do is try and find a range that rents guns or go out with some friends that own these models and shoot them for yourself. What works for others may not be the best choice for you. It's more fun that way and you won't end up getting stuck with something you don't like. Good luck in your search.
  7. breakingcontact

    breakingcontact Well-Known Member

    ? What have you been seeing?
  8. needmorecowbell

    needmorecowbell Well-Known Member

    I did a similar analysis a few years ago and chose the SR9c. Afterwards, I traded it for what I really wanted, a CZ P01. The SR9c was a nice gun though. Of the 3 you list, I'd get it unless I could talk you into the CZ.......
  9. Sam1911

    Sam1911 Moderator

    I've posted about that before, but I know an uncomfortable number of well-ranked shooters in my area who have had repeated bad experiences with failures to extract, primarily, and also a recurring light primer strike problem with the M&P series. These are pretty well-known issues and there are various "fixes" suggested, not any of which fix all of the problems all of the time, or for very long, in some cases.

    I know shooters who've had their M&Ps back to S&W multiple times without solving the extraction problem long-term. A close personal friend of mine, and Master-class shooter has now owned, and ditched, THREE M&P pros and a standard model in the attempt to get one to run reliably. Ironically, all this takes place in the local shooting area of one of the better known M&P gunsmiths (Burwell) and if these guys can't keep them running, or can't find work-arounds and fluff-and-buffs (or whatever else) to make them solid long-term performers, I'm just not comfortable putting my money and time into them.

    And that KILLS me, because the fastest IDPA Classifier time I ever shot was fired with a borrowed M&P standard model I'd never shot before, and shot cold. A great gun! But I've watched so many local competitors practicing their TRBs during major matches, and lamenting that S&W didn't get it fixed THIS TIME, either, that I just can't bring myself to roll the dice.
  10. tarosean

    tarosean Well-Known Member

    No offense Sam, but don't a third of competitors still use them?

    I personally hated everything about mine, even after trigger upgrades... However I don't shoot IDPA either.
  11. Sam1911

    Sam1911 Moderator

    Yeah. A fair number do use them -- they are really good shooting guns. That's why it bugs me so bad to have such distrust for them. When they're bad...they're rotten, and S&W seems willing to "fix" them over and over no matter how many times they still don't work.
  12. breakingcontact

    breakingcontact Well-Known Member

    Wow. That's the first I've heard of this regarding M&Ps. Mine have been 100% reliable over a few thousand rounds. I've only ever heard they are extremely/Glock like reliable.p

    Do these issues extend to the Shield as well?
  13. jon_in_wv

    jon_in_wv Well-Known Member

    The only difference between the M&Ps and the Glocks is that when and M&P fails it isn't "ammo related". Mine has well over 10,000 rounds through it. Most of them my own reloads. I upgraded the trigger around 8000 rounds because I wanted a more positive trigger and I felt like the trigger had gotten a bit soft. Mine still shoots, looks, and feels like new. It is hands down the best pistol I've ever had experience with.
  14. TestPilot

    TestPilot Well-Known Member

    Between Glock and M&P, it's a personal preference issue.

    Can't comment much on theSR9. I never considered it, since I don't want manual firing inhibiting devices on my pistol.
  15. meanmrmustard

    meanmrmustard Well-Known Member

    Same here.

    My Shield has been fine.
  16. Sam1911

    Sam1911 Moderator

    Honestly, I have no idea on the Shield. I've not seen any show up on the competition field, and they haven't been out long enough to develop so substantial a reputation.

    Further, having one be reliable for "a few thousand rounds" means something to some people that it doesn't quit mean to others. Some of the folks having repeated problems, and with repeated guns, are approaching 20K rounds a year, so a problem that only starts happening after a few thousand rounds, or recurs every few thousand rounds, would be a real big problem for them.
  17. breakingcontact

    breakingcontact Well-Known Member

    Right. Of course you're seeing a larger sample size and a larger amount of rounds fired. Just surprises me as this is the first I've heard of any issues with the M&Ps except some 9mm full size guns having accuracy issues.
  18. Godsgunman

    Godsgunman Well-Known Member

    Well what you have seen with the M&Ps is a little concerning for me, but then again I hardly come close to reaching those numbers shooting wise, maybe 200 rnds a month per weapon. That may increase however as I have started reloading. All machines breakdown over time and I know eventually even a Glock will need repair, even though I baby mine and clean and oil it after every range session. Don't like a dirty carry weapon even if they are known for "to hell and back" reliability.
  19. mdauben

    mdauben Well-Known Member

    I would chose the Glock soley becuase I already own several Glock pistols and I am familiar and comfortable with their operation and handling. That's not to say I think Glocks are necessarily better than the Ruger or S&W models you listed. I probably would not feel particularly disadvantaged with either one, once I had a chance to put a few hundred rounds them them. ;)
    Last edited: Feb 15, 2013
  20. Ala Tom

    Ala Tom Well-Known Member

    Of those choices I would take the Ruger SR9c. I have fired a box through each of these and have owned a S&W M&P 40 full size (now a 357 Sig). I liked the Ruger most of all but I also liked the others in various ways. For concealment you can't beat the Glock 26. But, it does push your hand around and trying to shoot a double tap would be tough. (In many cases with 9mm, a double tap seems to be recommended.) The M&P has more of a kick than the Ruger. The Ruger has a very good balance to it. You could easily do a double tap with the Ruger.

    But I would strongly recommend a Ruger SR40C. I have been shooting mine for about a year and like it as much as ever. It has only a moderate recoil. It is exactly the same size as the SR9c and the specs say it is the same weight. I bought the SR40c without trying it first. (One was not available.) I trusted Ruger to make it well-balanced. It handles well and has the same good trigger as the SR9c. At present I carry it daily.

    You can also get the Glock in 40 instead of 9 mm at about the same size as the 26. But the recoil may be a problem. But then I also recommend you consider the Glock 30 (.45 ACP) through which I have fired a box and which is about the same size as the Rugers SR9c and SR40c. I did well with the Glock 30. Its recoil was the same as my MP 357 Sig (strong and sharp but not unmanageable.) I don't think a rapid double tap is required with the .40 or .45 but you could add a couple more shots with deliberation.

    I once heard a local cop drive his car with the siren to a house two blocks away at 5 am and then fire a double tap at the instant the siren stopped. I learned later he killed a dog as he responded to a domestic disturbance call. Obviously he had been trained to do a double tap with his 9 mm.
    Last edited: Feb 15, 2013
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