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I'm just wondering if any of the folks who think Glocks are unsafe ever shot a revolver.

These types of threads have flavors of antis trolling for ammo (pun intended) for their......

"guns are unsafe slogan" (especially the millions of Glocks out there). Look - even the gun owners and enthusiasts agree.

Don't buy into the scam. The only "safety" in the one between your ears. These threads are usually started by accounts with low thread count, btw.
 
I'm just wondering if any of the folks who think Glocks are unsafe ever shot a revolver.

These types of threads have flavors of antis trolling for ammo (pun intended) for their......

"guns are unsafe slogan" (especially the millions of Glocks out there). Look - even the gun owners and enthusiasts agree.

Don't buy into the scam. The only "safety" in the one between your ears. These threads are usually started by accounts with low thread count, btw.
I have shot quite a few revolvers, single action you have to cock the hammer to fire, and double actions mostly have a trigger that are pretty heavy enough not to have a AD or ND........
 
All revolvers I ever used had the trigger pulled, cylinder revolved and hammer went back for striking the firing pin. If one of these three conditions were not met gun could not be fired. Hammer pulled back cylinder rotated then trigger was pulled; still three. A lot of monkey motion involved. Tis true with a hammer if the gun is dropped and the hammer strikes a firm surface it might go off.

Like has been said before the best safety is between the ears.

Even in the great patriotic war shoulder holster rig we left the cylinder empty under the firing pin in our revolvers. Probably a bunch of pansies.

Again not any reason to argue; what works for someone and they are comfortable more power to them. Lets' just be glad we have the right/privilege to carry and discuss such things.
 
"Ahhhh Hell Lady if the damned old thing wasn't dangerous I wouldn't be carrying it"...seriously, keep your finger off the Trigger till you want it to go bang...same as a revolver...
 
This isn't the GLOCK fanboy thing you want to make it into. It's a just a philosophy. One that's shared by SIG and revolver users, too, btw. It's the philosophy that to make a gun safe, it should be unloaded. And that manual safeties are there to prevent foreign objects from triggering a gun, not to protect from someone "inadvertently squeezing the trigger."
So well said, bravo sir!
 
If you NEED a manual safety, that only tells me that you don't know how to keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to shoot it

The safety purists would have a heart attack if they ever saw my collection. Not a single one of my guns sits with a safety on, if it even has one. Somehow, none of them have ever managed to "go off" without me intending them to :eek:
 
Strahley, any and every gun should be treated as it will and can dicharge rifle, shotgun, revolver, automatic pistol etc.
Onward Allusion, this is not an anti-GLOCK scam I was just curious as to where the or if it has a manual safety.
No I dont use manual safetys on my firearms because I realize it WILL fail, so with all due respect both of you can go home.
 
I'm a Glock guy. Its all I've owned for near 20 years. My carry is a Glock 26. Saying that, I'd welcome an XD type safety on it. I'm going to keep on carrying Glocks without it but I think it would be a good idea.
 
"GLOCK" is all capitalized to show respect for such a reliable pistol. Most people who do this do it unconsciously. It just happens. It's like when you are in the shooting range and you realize that you stand next to a skilled shooter. You know, you give that knowing and respecting nod.

Oh. Okay then, I think we should compare your GLOCK to my BERETTA, or maybe to the couple of pistols I own made by FABRIQUE NATIONALE.
 
Not a single one of my guns sits with a safety on, if it even has one
Amen. I try to make a habit out of sweeping off the safety, anyway, just in case. Like I said earlier, I can't count how many times I have followed all gun safety rules, aimed, placed finger on trigger, and pulled, only to find out the manual safety was on. Side note: notice that manual safeties aren't even mentioned in the 4 gun safety rules? If people are having ND's, they need to go back to those four rules before worrying about any other extraneous stuff, like manual safeties.

Now I do set the manual safety on my P64, only because that's the only thing blocking the firing pin despite it having a 30 lb trigger. Yes, the seeming redundancy is painful, but it's the only way I will keep it chambered. And it still beats leaving the chamber empty, then having to visually check or sweep to make sure the safety is still off after racking it. Also, if I had a 1911, I think I'd use the manual safety.

Re: highly trained LEO having ND's when switched to GLOCK:
This is because some LEO's are highly trained and practiced in unsafe gunhandling, and they've gotten away with it due to heavier triggers. The solution is two fold. Give them heavier triggers, and RETRAIN THEM, anyway. Because understanding and adhering to the 4 basic gun safety rules is the only way to prevent ND's. Triggers heavier than 5 lbs only mask some degree of incompetency. So for the average police force, by all means a heavy trigger is a wise choice (because in any large group of people, there will be some incompetency), but trainees should still be reamed for putting their finger on the trigger when it doesn't need to be there, even if the trigger is 20 lbs, otherwise the "safety feature" of a heavy trigger is only going to encourage unsafe practices. On that note, I read somewhere that the FBI used to actually train agents to prestage the trigger when taking aim... What could go wrong there, eh?
 
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Yeah, that's probably the only way to do it. Even if the safety is already off, you have to treat it as on when you want the gun to fire. And even if the safety is on, you have to treat the gun like it's off at all other times, anway. So I'd rather it just not be around, so I can concentrate on stuff that actually has a purpose.
 
forget the name of the Texas Ranger, when asked if carrying a 45 auto cocked and locked was dangerous? His reply was, "hell if its not dangerous I dont wnat the gun"
 
If you cannot figure out how to safely handle/carry a Glock, then get something else - it isn't rocket science, my son at age 8 was able to handle it easily.......what's the big deal?
 
I do not carry a Glock. My 1911s have done well lo these 35 years. The few times I carry the M39 or the M59, I put the safety on holstering and then take the safeties off. The 1911s are carried C1. Revolvers are revolvers. I particularly would not choose to carry a Glock IWB.
Having said that I recently acquired a G34 and it is extensively tuned. I picked a Blade-Tech Stingray kydex holster for IDPA. I do practice the draw and dryfire quite bit. I would carry a Glock with a 5# trigger OWB. Never loose focus.

Jordan was famous for his revolver. Didn't he convince S&W to do the M19? Not sayin' it wasn't him.
 
All revolvers I ever used had the trigger pulled, cylinder revolved and hammer went back for striking the firing pin. If one of these three conditions were not met gun could not be fired. Hammer pulled back cylinder rotated then trigger was pulled; still three. A lot of monkey motion involved. Tis true with a hammer if the gun is dropped and the hammer strikes a firm surface it might go off.

Like has been said before the best safety is between the ears.

Even in the great patriotic war shoulder holster rig we left the cylinder empty under the firing pin in our revolvers. Probably a bunch of pansies.

Again not any reason to argue; what works for someone and they are comfortable more power to them. Lets' just be glad we have the right/privilege to carry and discuss such things.
not true with all revolvers, Rugers have a transfer bar that rests between the hammer and the case and only goes away when cocked and will not fire if dropped .... So, you can load all 6 instead of 5, it's been that way for a long time..... I also carried 6 in the chamber with my S&W's...681,686, and 66's....
 
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As I stated in my earlier post, I am a firm believer in manual safeties on semi-automatic pistols because they provide an additional layer of protection against AD/NG discharges. Obviously, there are different opinions on this subject.

One particular member wondered whether the folks who feel that Glocks are unsafe had ever fired a revolver. I own a Glock 17 and many revolvers. In my opinion, there is a huge difference between the trigger pull of most revolvers and a standard Glock. Most revolvers have a trigger pull of 10-12 lbs. in double-action mode. Because it takes a long, hard and consistent pull, it is very difficult to inadvertently discharge a revolver. I personally have never heard of this happening (in double-action mode), although I am sure that someone out there has. Additionally, you can also see the hammer moving rearward and the cylinder rotating before the weapon discharges. Compare this to the 5-6 lb. trigger pull of the standard Glock (after you take up the slack) and now you’re comparing apples to oranges.

Simply put, the reason you don’t need a manual safety on a revolver is that they are very difficult inadvertently discharge. On the other hand Glocks are notorious for inadvertent discharges, even in the hands of highly trained experts.

I often hear Glock fans say that they have no concern about carrying their Glock with “one in the pipe” and I have to wonder whether they ever spent the time to read their Glock manual. It specifically warns “civilians” not to carry the pistol with a round in the chamber because of the risk of unintentional discharge. So there you have it, even Gaston recognizes the risk. However, instead of offering a manual safety to reduce the risk of unintentional discharge, he recommends that you carry the pistol unloaded.
 
As I stated in my earlier post, I am a firm believer in manual safeties on semi-automatic pistols because they provide an additional layer of protection against AD/NG discharges. Obviously, there are different opinions on this subject.

One particular member wondered whether the folks who feel that Glocks are unsafe had ever fired a revolver. I own a Glock 17 and many revolvers. In my opinion, there is a huge difference between the trigger pull of most revolvers and a standard Glock. Most revolvers have a trigger pull of 10-12 lbs. in double-action mode. Because it takes a long, hard and consistent pull, it is very difficult to inadvertently discharge a revolver. I personally have never heard of this happening (in double-action mode), although I am sure that someone out there has. Additionally, you can also see the hammer moving rearward and the cylinder rotating before the weapon discharges. Compare this to the 5-6 lb. trigger pull of the standard Glock (after you take up the slack) and now you’re comparing apples to oranges.

Simply put, the reason you don’t need a manual safety on a revolver is that they are very difficult inadvertently discharge. On the other hand Glocks are notorious for inadvertent discharges, even in the hands of highly trained experts.

I often hear Glock fans say that they have no concern about carrying their Glock with “one in the pipe” and I have to wonder whether they ever spent the time to read their Glock manual. It specifically warns “civilians” not to carry the pistol with a round in the chamber because of the risk of unintentional discharge. So there you have it, even Gaston recognizes the risk. However, instead of offering a manual safety to reduce the risk of unintentional discharge, he recommends that you carry the pistol unloaded.

A few point your going to get torn up on:

1. The manual also says that Glock firearms are not for shovel snow of of your roof. And something about taking strudel onto a sailboat. The manual has lots of legalese, that;s just the way it goes these days.

2. Never seen a highly trained expert Nd, but if they did, they must not have trained well.

3. Every IDPA, Uspca or whatever comp I've seen. There's allways at least one shooter per event that I expect to do really well, then forgets to turn his safety off after drawing. The time it takes to realize that mistake often is the complete length of time most CCw senerios last. I prefere 0 safeties. Faster, easier, more reliable. Shorter manual of arms allmost allways wins.

Just need a good holster, and reholstering disiplne.
 
And keep in mind that often these accidental discharges were caused by highly-trained LEO’s who handle firearms for a living. There have been reports of cops unintentionally shooting themselves with their Glock, accidentally shooting their partners with their Glock, and accidentally shooting suspects when they inadvertently touched the trigger on their Glock.

Maybe they should have been more highly trained?

I don't claim to be a pistol expert or even particularly knowledgeable about Glocks. I have Ptooma's manual on hand to consult and I have become a pretty big fan of Glocks since acquiring my Glock 20 a few years ago.

But I don't see what all the hub-bub is about. I'll go so far as to say that if you don't trust yourself with a Glock because it doesn't have an external active safety, you shouldn't be trusted with any firearm. A traditional safety on an automatic pistol is not a crutch. It doesn't excuse poor gun handling. Even as a little boy, I can remember my grandfather emphasizing the importance of never trusting the safety. These were lessons that stuck with me.

I won't say I've never had a brain fart and did something stupid with a firearm. I've had an AD before. But it was with a .22 caliber rifle that, interestingly enough, has an external safety. No one was hurt, because thankfully, I forgot my trigger discipline but not my muzzle awareness.

Maybe it is being aware that there is no safety, but even more than with other automatic handguns, I find myself being religiously diligent to safe gun handling with my Glock. Since I've owned it, these practices have expanded to include other handguns, but they originated with the Glock. My Glock made me a safer gun owner. I'd check the chamber every time I picked up a gun before, but I wasn't as anal about dropping the mag, racking the slide 2 or 3 times, locking it back, then checking the chamber. That is a habit my Glock got me into, namely out of necessity cause I don't want to put a hole in something breaking it apart to clean it, ect.

I don't buy the "Glocks just going off" thing either. People claim thumb breaks on holsters will make them go off. I call BS. Once I was running along some tracks. I had my G20 in the Uncle Mikes on my hip, as is customary for me. A railroad tie shifted underneath my step, and snagged my other foot as it came down. I went down hard, and my G20 was sent clattering across the tracks. It came to a rest with its muzzle oriented straight at me as I laid their sprawled out next to the tracks. So I put the thumb break on the holster to prevent such accidents from occurring again in the future. People keep telling me the thumb break can catch the trigger and cause it to go off during reholstering. This is understandably troubling for me, so I clear the pistol and spend the next 30 to 45 minutes jamming it in at every conceivable angle trying to make this thumb break drop the striker. In the end, the only way I succeed it removing the holster from my hip, taking the stiffer inboard plastic end that the strap snaps too, orienting the pistol 90 degrees to it with it in the trigger guard, and jamming it forward. This motion was so awkward even with the holster off my hip that I am going to go ahead and say that if you manage to accomplish this feat in real life, you deserve a gunshot wound to the leg--you earned it.

And if you are really that worried, there are several heavier trigger options out there known as New York 1 and New York 2 which provide a, IIRC, 8 and 12 pound trigger pull, respectively. This makes the trigger pull pretty much identical to a revolver.

So again, what was the issue?
 
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Permit me to flip that over on you. I carried a S&W model 36 for years and had two AD. Both times the hammer had became cocked by my clothing and when I grabbed for the gun it went bang. Thankfully both times nothing got hit except the ground and my pride. Any gun can AD and revolvers are no exception.
What does the hammer getting cocked have anything to do with this ND? Hammers being cocked or uncocked aren't part of the 4 gun safety rules. The problem was your finger on the trigger before you wanted the gun to fire. Follow the rules, and you don't have ND's.

This is the reason so many "highly trained LEOs" shot themselves with GLOCKs. Years of carrying a DA revolver made them feel ok to leave their finger on the trigger even when they are pointing a gun at their own leg and shoving the gun into a holster.

Rule #3 doesn't say: keep your finger off the trigger until you're on target and ready to fire... if your gun is SA. But if it's a DA, put your finger on the trigger and rest it there at all times. You may prestage it a little, but don't get carried away. And if your gun has a manual safety, congratulations. If you yank on the trigger every now and then to make sure the safety still works, you may disregard the other 3 rules.

See, you can actually get away with that kind of idiocy when you're really familiar with your specific gun. But if you take liberties with the universal rules because of some idiosyncrasies of your own platform, you will have made yourself unqualified to handle any other gun.
 
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