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Gonna buy a buddy a handgun...which one?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Archangel14, Feb 11, 2013.

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  1. Frank Ettin

    Frank Ettin Moderator

    It's true that it's not related to the OP's question. But the discussion of what constitutes a straw purchase arose because so many folks in this thread were confused and suggesting that the OP was engaged in a straw purchase.

    And the Smith and Jones situation is directly responsive to your ignorant statement:
    The point is that it can matter who pays for it.

    You couldn't pay me to be your lawyer. I'm comfortably retired now and have no need to work.
  2. s9601694

    s9601694 Well-Known Member

    a .22 are you guys kidding?!

    Get him a Glock 19 gen 4, shoots like a 17 but is still concealable (if he ever wants to go get his CHP) and its a REAL gun! Anyone can shoot a 9mm glock, my daughter started shooting my Glock 17 when she was 12 and had nice groupings at 15 feet!

    You will give him a handgun he will always love the best out of all his guns (unless he ends up getting a 23 one day)

    (i really like Glocks if you hadn't noticed)
  3. Manny

    Manny Well-Known Member

    If your friend is a newbie to guns I think a revolver would serve best. If you like S&W's the 686 SSR would be my choice. A factory custom that is something really special IMO.

    I like your idea for showing appreciation, were I the "giftee" I would be mighty happy.
  4. C0untZer0

    C0untZer0 Well-Known Member

    If I'm not mistaken there is quite a price difference between a G17 and a S&W revolver.

    I think a S&W Model 63 is a great revolver, very nice SA trigger.

    I also like the 7.25 Buckmark

    If I was going to get someone a Glock I'd get the a 17L and drop in a trigger kit. Because of it's size / long slide, it's a pretty soft shooter.
  5. ku4hx

    ku4hx Well-Known Member

    Deleted: redundant post
  6. returningfire

    returningfire Well-Known Member


    If your friend has no handgun experience, then buy them a revolver, any kind. If they don't like it go with them to trade, help them make their decision for something they like and at that point let them fill out the 4473. You can buy a gun and give it to your friend and it is not a straw purchase as long as that person is not prohibited from owning a firearm.
  7. Furncliff

    Furncliff Well-Known Member

    Just my take... an heirloom type .22

    Easy shooting, great triggers, accurate, all quality's that will make a new shooter feel good about handguns.

    Examples might be guns that have stood the test of time. Find an older well kept piece.

    High Standard target models
    S&W 41
    S&W target revolvers
  8. HankR

    HankR Well-Known Member

    You probably know him well enough to guess whether this will be his first gun or his only gun?

    I guess I'd go for something cool (1911) if it was to be his first gun. Let him spring for the boring .22 that gets used 100 times as much. If it's to be his only gun, some more thought (and maybe some input from him) is required). Probably a 4 inch .357 revolver if it's to be more than a range toy--so he'll have options. j If only a range toy -- no self defense, then a .22. I'd go Ruger Mark III (prefer II personally, but I'd go "new" for a gift) or a single six (just like the cowboys used, kinda, only smaller holes).
  9. Archangel14

    Archangel14 Well-Known Member

    Talked to my buddy tonight and asked him what type of handgun he's interested in (he doesn't know what I'm up to). He's not interested in a revolver. IMHO I think a solid .357 platform is a great starter piece. If I could have but one handgun, it would be a 4-inch .357. But I'm decided to get him a Glock 17. Reasonably priced, totally reliable, ammo is cheap (in normal times), as idiot proof as an autoloader can get. And handgun newbies go ga-ga over Glocks. In fact, I just helped a first time handgun buyer and he selected a Glock. No matter how I tried to expand his field of possibility, he just kept coming back to the Glock! I was thinking Sig, but for a first time hand gunner the Glock wins out.

    So that's it gents....it will be a Glock. Thanks for all you input!

    PS: for you worry warts, I'm going to have him do all the paper and I'll just put the purchase on my credit card. :evil:
  10. s9601694

    s9601694 Well-Known Member

    Great choice! If you run into a 19 before a 17 don't hesitate ;)

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  11. RetiredUSNChief

    RetiredUSNChief Well-Known Member


    However, I think you should re-read the posts people have been making on the subject of "straw man" buying. Most especially post #31.

    Don't mix and match the paperwork and payment between two people. Frank Ettin's postings opened my eyes on this a little bit because he looks at these things through the eyes of a lawyer. Though I do not personally believe that this constitutes a straw purchase, what I think and what the law may think aren't always the same thing.

    Regardless of what people may think and interpret on whether or not this may be considered a straw purchase, it is common sense to stay out of the grey areas on this when it comes to firearms.

    Get him a gift card or some such other monitary gift and let him do the actual purchase, from the paperwork all the way down to the actual payment. It would be a simple matter to figure out what it would actually cost, including taxes and maybe a box of ammunition or a holster, and get him a Visa gift card or a store gift certificate.


    And please drop us a note to let us know what your friend thinks of it.
  12. hentown

    hentown Well-Known Member

    Buying a handgun or any other firearm for a friend or relative as a gift isn't a straw purchase. A straw purchase is when one buys a firearm for somebody who isn't eligible to buy a firearm from an FFL.
  13. michaelbsc

    michaelbsc Well-Known Member

    I think BATFE sees a straw purchase broader than this. Even if the intended ultimate recepient is eligible it is a straw purchase if an intermediary is used to hide the identity of the "real" purchaser. That's actually the meaning of straw purchase. Like some states have a limit on the number of handgun purchases in a specific number of days, so you buy an extra one for them.

    Obviously when buying someone a present you aren't intending to hide their identity from the NCIS check. You're intending to hide the fact that they're getting a birthday present from the recipient.

    The government really doesn't care what information you hide from your brother or your fishing buddy. They care what you hide from the government.
    Last edited: Feb 14, 2013
  14. Sam1911

    Sam1911 Moderator

    WOW, this is getting exasperating! Frank has laid this out very clearly and we even have a sticky thread on it!

    A straw purchase happens ANY TIME the person filling out the paperwork is not the actual buyer of the gun. It does not matter if the person who is really buying the gun is prohibited from owning the gun or not.

    If your own wife or brother says, "here's $500, go buy me a Glock," that would be a straw purchase.

    If you buy a gun with the intent to GIVE it to someone as a GIFT, that is not a straw purchase. You bought it (with your money) to give to someone as a gift. You are the purchaser.

    (Now, if you then give it to your neighbor who you know is a felon, that's another set of crimes, but NOT a straw purchase.)
  15. tarosean

    tarosean Well-Known Member

    In attempt to get it back on track, go with the revolver.
  16. Sam1911

    Sam1911 Moderator

    Well...he's already posted THIS:

    So, seeing as the "ON" track is now at the end of the line, let's close this rather than rehash the straw purchase question further.

    But I'll make a final comment regarding this:

    Just buy the gun, fill out the paperwork, take it to him and GIVE it to him as a gift. That's legal and doesn't make the dealer wonder, "what's "really" going on here? :scrutiny:"
  17. Frank Ettin

    Frank Ettin Moderator

    I'm just going to add this final note by way of clarification.

    What the OP plans to do, as described in post 49:
    would not be a straw purchase and would be legal, since the buddy winds up with the gun. It's one way of buying a gift.

    But as Sam pointed out, it's likely to raise some eyebrows, and it's seems to have been the the experience of others who have posted in other threads on this subject that staff at local gun shops often have an imperfect understanding of the law here. Of course, if the OP has built a relationship with the folks at that gun shop, they might accept his explanation.

    It would be clean, as Sam suggests, for the OP to just buy the gun and then give it to his friend, but since they're in California, that transfer would also have to go through an FFL. Or the OP could just give his friend the cash.
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