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Got my first Mauser K98.. few pics inside

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by muddcat, Jan 24, 2013.

  1. muddcat

    muddcat Active Member

    The other day I made a post on here stating that I was looking at one to buy.. well I went ahead and got it. It's a RC I assume because it has electro-engraving on the bolt(did only the Russians do this?) It's a 1944 Gustloff-Werke, Weimar. I'm very happy with the purchase because this is a shooter for me and being my first Mauser I wasn't real concerned with matching #s. One question I have is about the cleaning rod, this one doesn't have one nor is there a place for one on the front band. Is this right? Did some not come with a cleaning rod? Can I add one if change the front band? Hope you enjoy the pics and thanks for the help.
  2. Halal Pork

    Halal Pork Well-Known Member

    I can't answer your questions but nice rifle! Hope you enjoy it. I feel a bit sad and alone for being K98 Mauser-less.
  3. muddcat

    muddcat Active Member

    Thanks pork... yeah I was the same way, I've wanted one for years.. finally had some extra $$ to get one. btw the few rounds I have put through tell me this rifle will be a blast to shoot :)
  4. TIMC

    TIMC Well-Known Member

    Don't know about the cleaning rods except my 1943 K98 does have the hole for one and a groove on the bayonet lug to clear a cleaning rod but it did not come with one.
  5. cal30_sniper

    cal30_sniper Well-Known Member

    8x57 is really fun to shoot. There's something about the wartime K98 action, slightly rough yet still refined, and strong as all get out, that really makes you feel something special when you shoot it. If you haven't yet, you need to watch the movie "The Wind and the Lion". There's some great scenes of Sean Connery, playing "The Raisuli," making some incredible shots with a long barreled 98 Mauser. Not to mention, it's also an excellent movie.

    You're rifle may actually be correct, even with the mismatched floorplate. The article I linked in your other thread said that the bcd guns in 1944 were more assembled from parts at that factory than actually machined there. Apparently it wasn't uncommon for those guns to not be completely numbers matching. The cleaning rod thing may be of a similar reason. I wonder, if you take that end cap off of the stock, is the stock itself drilled for a cleaning rod?

    That's a very, very clean example of a WWII K98, it almost looks to have been refinished. How sharp are the edges of the stock? Does the metal protrude above the stock anywhere like its been sanded down and refinished?

    I don't see any Russian capture marks. My brothers Israeli K98 was a RC. It has a hammer and sickle stamped right next to the Nazi eagle (the eagle was also partially obliterated). Of course, his also has a Jewish star of David stamped next to the other two. Talk about a rifle of equal opportunity employment...
  6. muddcat

    muddcat Active Member

    Hopefully this weekend I will have time to remove that end cap and see if the hole is there. I don't think the stock has been refinished, no sharp edges, it has that smooth old feel to it. Hopefully this weekend I can tear down the rifle and get a closer look at some parts/ numbers. One thing I did see is that the swastika has been punched out in a few places.. I guess this was common with any capture
  7. BP Hunter

    BP Hunter Well-Known Member

    The cleaning rod is naturally short. I asked that question before when I had my Mauser. SOmebody told me that they were naturally short and that you had to borrow your buddies' cleanng rods to connect them together to create a long one.
  8. brian923

    brian923 Well-Known Member

    I believe that a russian capture will have an x stamped on the action. thats a really nice rifle ya got there. do you reload? I have some loads that will do 1.5" at 100 yards with some 180 nosler bt's. it a really fun rifle to shoot.
  9. gun addict

    gun addict Well-Known Member

    edited, not sure about the front lug
  10. I6turbo

    I6turbo Well-Known Member

    Nice. I don't know what it is, but somehow the K98s seem to have the best feel of any iron-sighted rifle I've ever shouldered. They just fit me like nothing else. My brother has a K98 and I have a Yugo M24/47. IMO, the 24/47 is an amazing gun for the money, but just a notch below the K98 in terms of perfect fit and overall feel.
  11. muddcat

    muddcat Active Member

    My dad reloads...so I plan to buy him a set of 8mm dies( are primers and bullets available right now?, I can't find anything in my .223 reloading supplies)
  12. RPRNY

    RPRNY Well-Known Member

    NICE rifle! That's it for you though. Now comes madness. Chasing down obscure VZ versions, sneaking into Iran to smuggle out a rare M49, making shady back alley deals on Modelo 95s, and the rapture when you shoot your first 6.5x55 Swede. There's really no hope for you now, so enjoy. :)
  13. cal30_sniper

    cal30_sniper Well-Known Member

    I've looked for Large Rifle Primers in every major sporting goods store in San Antonio, Austin, and Houston for the last two weeks. No luck yet. 8mm bullets shouldn't be too hard to find though, not much of a run on those.

    For loaded ammo, check out Prvi Partizan. Their 8x57 is loaded to actual European specs, and the brass is really good for reloading too. The Winchester and Remington ammo you see on the shelves is loaded more like a .30-30 than an 8x57.
  14. RPRNY

    RPRNY Well-Known Member

    And the Sellier & Bellot 196gr SP. Cabelas had a bulk deal on some time ago, may be worth checking if still on.
  15. soloban

    soloban Well-Known Member

    Reload your own! My VZ-24 prefers 200 grain bullets pushed as fast you can get them. 200gr Sierra Match Kings over a healthy dose of Varget.
  16. cal30_sniper

    cal30_sniper Well-Known Member

    With what? If he doesn't already have a stash of primers and powder suitable for 8x57, he's not likely to find anymore for a long time.

    I second the Sellier and Bellot as well. I like Prvi better, but the S&B is also loaded to European specs.
  17. courtgreene

    courtgreene Well-Known Member

    Prvi brass works better for me than S&B. both shoot well, but I've had problems with s&b spc's not expanding on deer (if you plan to hunt with it). Thus, I started reloading... and the prvi brass was much better IMO.
  18. fdashes

    fdashes Well-Known Member

    I have never seen a mauser with the manufacture code and only a single number. Not sure about that,,,maybe the later models did that. Also, there is no bayonet lug, was that done away with in late models also? Where was the electropencil used and what was it used for? Just wondering
  19. WYOMan

    WYOMan Well-Known Member

    Later war models were issued without cleaning rods, and the bayonet lug wasn't machined onto it, and the front lug was screwed onto the stock like yours is. The stock, if it matches the reciever, will not be drilled to accept a cleaning rod. The barrel bands went thru several changes as well. Yours are stamped, and welded. The last ones were simply screwed to the stock, because the band retaining spring was discontinued. By 1945, the bolt disassembly disk in the stock was replaced by a hole drilled in the butt plate, and the trigger guards and floorplates were stamped. I had a 1945 action once that looked like it was machined in a cave.
  20. JT-AR-MG42

    JT-AR-MG42 Well-Known Member


    The front of the late 1944 - '45 Kriegsmodell stock was made without the relieved wood millwork to allow the bayonet lug to be fastened over it and secured with the through pin.

    The stock has more value as is over a standard 98k stock. So my answer is no, you should not add a bayonet lug. And the main purpose of the cleaning rod was as a stacking rod. Although they could be connected in the 'buddy system', it would have been patches only as no threaded cleaning brushes were ever issued.
    Troops were issued the 'tobacco tin' cleaning kits with the pull through chain with a brush, patches, solvent/oil bottle, and dis-assembly tool.

    It is a good looking rig as is. Either the Russians or the previous owner made it look correct, although the serial might be a little early in 1944 for a KM. Does that outside stock RC added number match the serial number? Any markings on the stock disc or recoil lug bolt?
    And while it is a RC, Gustloff was the only maker that has been noted as using a mix of Kriegsmodell features.
    Interesting rifle.
    If it were mine I would have to pull it apart just to see if the wood was numbered in the barrel channel or if the stock had been drilled for a cleaning rod.

    If you do take it apart, one request. That partially visible barrel code and WaA13 proof is sticking in my mind as familiar. Just cannot recall where or on what I had seen that proof. Maybe a photo of it out of the wood?

    Last edited: Jan 25, 2013

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