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Gov't looks for "Gun Melting" super spray

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by depicts, Mar 4, 2006.

  1. depicts

    depicts Well-Known Member

    I just saw this on the Military.com website. I thought it was pretty interesting...that the Military is looking for a way to destroy huge arms caches with a non reversable instant spray.


    Almost everywhere they go in Iraq, American soldiers find stacks of explosives and guns. According to one 2004 survey, at least 7 million small arms -- including AK-47 rifles, rocket launchers and mortar tubes, and more sophisticated arms like ground-to-air missiles -- have fallen into the hands of Iraqi civilians since "Mission Accomplished" in 2003.

    U.S. troops would like to get rid of all of those weapons, as they find them. "However, the extremely large number of both weapons and storage sites has rendered global securing and destruction of caches nearly impossible," notes Darpa, the Pentagon's way-out research arm.

    What the agency want to see instead: a non-toxic spray that can "penetrate rapidly into the [weapon's] active firing and/or actuation mechanisms and render them instantly and permanently inoperable."

    The formulation will produce an accelerated corrosion (or other) reaction over a longer period of time (a few months or less), perhaps using the weapon material itself as a metallic catalyst, to destroy the weapon internal structure. The formulation must be effective in small quantities (i.e., a few grams per weapon), safe to use, stable over the range of operational temperature/humidity conditions, have a long shelf-life, be capable of large-area dissemination, and produce a non-toxic residue after the weapon is destroyed...

    [The spray] must not be reversed by simple chemical, thermal, or other means. Such a chemical system has the potential to enable the systematic and effective removal of small arms from the battlespace.

    March 3, 2006 01:59 PM | Ammo and Munitions
  2. kjeff50cal

    kjeff50cal Well-Known Member

    cosmoline??? :evil:

  3. 1911Tuner

    1911Tuner Moderator Emeritus

    Super Melter

    Willy Peter comes to mind...
  4. Pork Fat

    Pork Fat Well-Known Member

    The coffee we have at work-ugh.
  5. Manedwolf

    Manedwolf member

    And of course, the enemy will NEVER get hold of the formula, make their own, and break our $$$$ tanks, helicopters and support equipment with it...

    That sounds like the ideal tool for a guerilla insurgency to use to wreak havoc on an invading, superior force, NOT something a "superpower" needs.
  6. blackhawk2000

    blackhawk2000 member

    Why don't they get a civilian contractor over their, have them demill them, and then ship them to companies like Century. The whole process should pay for itself if done properly. Then AK prices should drop here in the States[​IMG]
  7. erik the bold

    erik the bold Well-Known Member

    Wouldn't a nice salt water bath or two do about the same?

    Or, as an alternative, send 'em all to Rouge Steel. It could be your next F150 :uhoh:
  8. Thain

    Thain Well-Known Member

    Load them all up in crates, but them on a cargo ship, bring them to port in Detroit and start selling them through the Civillian Marksmanship Program. :D

    The Iraqi rebellion wouldn't have them anymore, and they'd be in the hands of law-abiding Yankees! Win/Win!
  9. One of Many

    One of Many Well-Known Member

    Does the chemical warfare restriction apply to the use of hydroflouric acid as a metal cleaner; this stuff is used as an etching solution - but it is hazardous to human touch and by inhalation. If the weapons were sprayed with this, and signs posted all around the area that toxic substances were applied to the weapons, would that meet requirements of treaties?

    Anyone that handled the weapons without measures being taken to remove the hydroflouric acid would suffer severe burns and pain, with possible fatality; assuming only the terrorists would attempt to recover the weapons, and therefore be exposed, is this allowable?
  10. boofus

    boofus Guest

    What about driving a M1 tank over them?

    It won't work well on the artillery shells, rockets, and explosives but for regular small arms I think it'd be a cost effective way to render them inoperable.
  11. geekWithA.45

    geekWithA.45 Moderator Emeritus

    Apparently, no one thought of backing up a cement mixer, folding out the chute, and pulling the spill leverl. :scrutiny:
  12. Spiggy

    Spiggy Well-Known Member

    why not just slather it with pork fat?

    I mean, it is non-toxic:evil:

    anyways, dont the iraqi people also have some natural rights to own firearms too?
  13. marshall3

    marshall3 Well-Known Member

    Sell them to the Iraqi's...

    Don't we believe in the 2nd amendment?
    Don't we believe in "Thou shalt not steal?"
    These guns belong to the Iraqi people. Arm the people, and let them fight for whatever government they like. Then we can go home.
  14. MatthewVanitas

    MatthewVanitas Well-Known Member

    We found out that driving an LAV over them sure won't do much; probably get much better results with the M1.

    Most of the demilling I saw done in Iraq was achieved by propping the barrel of the AK up on one rock, lifting a BFR (big frickin' rock) up over the head, and throwing it down. Usually two or three hits with a 60lb BFR would break the receiver, and then it would all go in the burn pit.

    But we kept the good-condition AKs to issue to Iraqi police and Iraqi Nat'l Guard. One day we had a convoy down to a small farming town to pass a few score AKs over to the local ING unit, and the captain asked me if there was any device we could use to disable the AKs in a hurry if we came under attack by insurgents. I thought a minute, and replied "Sir, if our convoy is hit so hard that insurgents are unloading the rifles from the rear of your Humvee, we probably have much larger problems to deal with."

    This whole "Gun-B-Gone" spray sounds like they're putting too much thought into it. Crushing followed by burning seems a lot more practical for non-explosives, and simple mass burns out in the open desert for explosives.

  15. Zen21Tao

    Zen21Tao Well-Known Member

    How long before gun grabbers adopt a similar program to find a way to quickly dissolve legally owned firearm? What we need is a criminal melting spray. :D
  16. paul45

    paul45 Well-Known Member

    Yes, I will take it a step further.....a Democrat dissolving spray...:neener:
  17. DesertRat

    DesertRat Well-Known Member

    Well, this is likely a long shot, but two thoughts.

    1. Perhaps they ought to think about going through some type of a bid process to allow small businesses locally, throughout Iraq disassemble or otherwise destroy these weapons and then recylcle the scrap metal for other uses. I'm sure Iraq has plenty need for varying grades of metals for their reconstruction efforts.

    However, I realize that from a practical standpoint many of those guns may be made from metals which are inferior. I'm thinking specifically of the the virtually home made grade AK's and the like (isn't it amazing what some of those guys can build over there with some simple hand tools?).

    2. Alternatively have somebody (contractor) go through the literally dump truck loads of small arms to determine which guns are of decent quality and serviceable. Clean those weapons up and then reissue them to Iraqi police / military forces.

    Any remaining, unservicable weapons can simply be sent to the smelter and recycled. I know, I know, that's assuming they have a smelter anywhere in that country.
  18. 2TransAms

    2TransAms Well-Known Member

    Clean 'em up and trade 'em back for oil.

    That won't happen.

    So,I'm sure they have chemicals that will dissolve your receiver,but I guess they want something more localized,that will do it quickly and won't contaminate a large area.
  19. gezzer

    gezzer Well-Known Member

    Sell,them to SARCO in a few days of their storage and they will be renderd useless junk!:evil:
  20. denfoote

    denfoote Well-Known Member


    The problem is that Bushco doesn't really believe in that section of the Constitution. Yeah, he SAYS he does, and I'm gunna take a lot of heat for this, but the fact that there is NO right to keep and bear arms in the NEW Iraqi Constitution bears witness that he really wants to keep guns OUT of the hands of the people!!

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