Granby, CO under seige

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Probably an evil black semi-auto .50...

I hope the ATF and other alphabet soup agencies realize that Barrett is serious when he says that if they ban his rifles from sale to the public he won't sell to the .gov either.
 
I hope the ATF and other alphabet soup agencies realize that Barrett is serious when he says that if they ban his rifles from sale to the public he won't sell to the .gov either.
I know. That guy's great. If I had the money, I'd buy one just to support him.

Of course the Federal Government could just nationalize his facility, for national security reasons. :D The Patriot Act must somehow authorize that.
 
Luckily, we are talking about a RIFLE COMPANY, and not some teddybear factory. Barrett wouldn't budge on selling to .gov or LEO if they banned his rifles.

I am seriously considering buying one to help him out...... money is tight and plans fell through more than once now. Maybe I should set my heart on the $3k one instead of the $7k one? :D
 
I wonder what the reaction of city officials would be if posters with this picture

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with the words "Remember Marvin Heemeyer" started appearing pasted to the front doors of city halls throughout America.
 
Dude, there's no apostraphy in "brothers" :).

Normally I wouldn't comment but you're working on a poster :D.

At least it wasn't Rick :p.

And if that loon really did shoot up a propane tank farm with a 50BMG and all he had to show for it was:

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...then I'm DEFINATELY going to be mentioning that in the upcoming California hearing on the 50cal ban.

(Sidenote: just found out yesterday that the bill to ban them (AB50) was "back from the dead". SIGH. More later today on that.)
 
Similar thing happened in Gillette Wyo. about 1980 IIRC. Had a pile of bumper stickers around here at the time. Said something like....

WHEN D9Ss ARE OUTLAWED...
I'LL BE AN OUTLAW!

I had forgotten about the stickers until I was in Candle, AK in 1990...there was one hanging in a miner's shop/ home. Takes all kinds I guess. crazy people and crawlers and an entertaining combo...eh.
 
I'd sentence him to parole...

In Iraq helping to uparmor our vehicles there. Obviously he already has the skills!
 
It was frightening," said Brower. "I tell you, I was scared for my wife and my son because we live only a fourth of a mile from the newspaper office, and Marv knows where we live. I thought he would drive over there next.


Sounds like a typical blissninny.

I wonder what would have happened if a THR member were there and interviewed.

"The wife and I each grabbed an M1 out of the safe along with a dozen or so clips of AP ammo, then decided that we would hang out on the porch until this event was over.:evil:
 
We need to pound on this fact that he had a .50 Cal firearm and that he attempted to blow up the propane tanks -- AND FAILED. The blissninnies always say that they need to ban the .50s because they can be used to attack petroleum refineries and blow them up. This incident belies their fears.
 
Imagine the story if this guy drove into an ARF com / THR shoot.

June 4, 2004
Granby, CO

Bulldozer Rampage Ends In Gunfire

A disgruntled man's attempt to destroy a small town in central Colorado ended abruptly when he drove into a gathering of shooting enthusiasts. Marvin Heemeyer died at the scene when his armor-plated bulldozer was shot thousand of times by members of www.ar-15.com and www.thehighroad.org, two prominent on-line shooting communities.

Investigating officers report that the Caterpillar D-5 "was shot with everything ranging from 22 Long Rifle all the way up to .50 cailber - and we can't explain what caused the massive explosion," said Colorado State Trooper Robert Lisk.

"We saw the bulldozer drive over the berm, so we assumed that it was a reactive target," said THR member capt_happypants. "Some guy on the line yelled out 'Light 'im up!' and all hell broke loose."

When police arrived on-scene, they had to disrupt the crowd that had gathered around the disabled vehicle. "There were all sorts of arguments - some guys were arguing about 9mm vs 45 ACP, others were assessing the damage caused by ARs and AKs, a bunch of people nearly came to blows debating the 1911 versus the Glock," said Trooper Lisk.

Bystanders said that the situation nearly turned into a riot, but the quick deployment of laptaps with wireless access and web browsers brought the crowd under control.

When asked about the explosions, an unnamed member of www.ar15.com responded, "I don't know how that could've happened. Sure, Tannerite is explosive, but I didn't expect a 20-foot crater."

"Next time, we won't tape the charge to a weather balloon full of propane," he added.
 
Location location location!

Do you know what the real tragedy of this entire event was?


HE DIDN'T ATTEMPT TO LEVEL VAIL, INSTEAD!!!

Yes, it would have long-term repercussions to the latte industry, but still, it'd be worth it.



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According to one of the news articles mentioned on the other THR thread on this located here. A local citizen offered the police use of his .50 BMG and it failed to disable the bulldozer. That might also be a good point for you to make Mr. March.
 
March,
Nice cheap shots on Stanley. Never let a chance to kick a potential ally slip by, right? Don't worry though - I'm sure none would have had to wonder if you'd have done something so dangerlously outside the system.

Everyone else...

If it were me in that town I'd have hung back for a bit. Sure, the idea of trying to stop a mini-tank with a Garand seems real interesting (I'd have alternated between radiator shots & trying to send one into the gunports) but I would have felt realy guilty if I found out later the guy had some reasons for his rampage that I was sympathetic to.

From what I understand he was ticked off about taxation & zoning regulations that he believes (rightly or wrongly) had a detrimental impact on his livelihood. He seems to have targeted buldings that were owned by people he felt were responsible at least in part for the taxation & zoning laws. He tried to attack cops when they showed up, but cops are government agents like it or not so I can see the reasoning behind treating them as the enemy.

Do I approve of this guy's particular actions? No. Do I understand how someone could get so frustrated as to think something like this is the only option left? Damn right. & so should anyone who's had to pay more than one cent for a permit to build something on their own land, or who struggles to come up with the yearly rent that cities & counties charge you for the privilege of owning your own property.

He didn't persue the best course of action to effect a change or draw attenton to his complaints, but I think only a few people here could not understand his motivations or the frustration he felt when he decided to weld up some steel to a bulldozer.

& I wouldn't worry about mentioning the .50 caliber - I'm positive the brady's & the VPC are already drafting press releases about it. The fact that it didn't blow up anything will be used to justify any attempts to ban certain types of ammo, & the fact that it was used will be harped on much more than its lck of effect when they push for a ban on .50 caliber firearms.

Jefferson wrote about the Whiskey Rebellion when he said that a rebellion every now & then is good for us & one not occuring at least every twenty years or so would be a sign that th public is slipping into lethargy & the death of public liberty wouldn't be far off. He didn't agree with the specifics of the Whiskey Rebellion but said that despite the ignorance involved in their motives that it was better that they acted on the faulty information they had than just to lie there & take it.

This guy with the armored bulldozer isn't as grand a statement to the thoughts Jefferson penned about the Whiskey Rebellion, but I think in principle they're close: when you think the government is doing wrong & workin within the system won't work you have to take some kind of action.

Like I said, I don't agree with the guy's choice of action but knowing his motivation I doubt I'd have stopped him if I was able to do so.

One last thing to ponder - if this guy had not been the aggressor (i.e. the cops attacked him for some reason or another) would y'all still be so eager to help the cops subdue him? Would you have just stood idly by? Or would you have tried to help the guy get away from or stop the cops? If a group of neighborrs hadn't been content throwing insults at the lawmen & had took some sort of action Vicki Weaver might be alive today.

Problem is anytime anything like this happens the guy or guys that the cops are trying to take will have a nice summation by the press that they're the bad guys. Some of the time, perhaps even most of the time this is true. But would anyone here take any kind of risk to help someone out despite an assination-job done on them by the press? If your neighbor whom you know to be a peaceful person & not a violator of any laws was surrounded by the federal police would you just watch like its a sporting event cause the papers said he was a bad person or would you try to help?

I bring this up not because the guy in question needed help (he had an armored bulldozer) or maybe even deserved help, but because the press will usually do as much as they can to paint a nasty picture of anyone who resists unjustified force. It's not something you have to answer here, just something I'd like for you to think about.
 
This guy knew his metal

Some of his friends today were saying he was a master welder-he could work anything. They're saying his "tank" was really well thought out.

My guess is, if they do an analysis of the plating, they'll find he'd done his own heat-treating to toughen the armor.
 
Do you think that's a viable solution for longterm SHTF scenarios? :D :D

I couldn't resist.
 
He built the armor out of two sheets of 1/2" steel with concrete poured between them. This was a brilliant design as it would absorb anything that was thrown at it and it would resist heating through if Molotov Cocktails were thrown at it as well. But for that radiator, he could have lasted for hours. The tank was full of deisel.
 
Sound to me like we need to get rid of DD restrictions, legally armed citizens could've worked this out right quick with a 30mm....

In all seriousness, though, I hope that lawmakers and city halls will remember this when they're screwing someone over and they know it.

I doubt they will, but one can hope.
 
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