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grass roots activism in action

Discussion in 'Activism' started by skidmark, Oct 7, 2008.

  1. skidmark

    skidmark Well-Known Member

    I do not know where my post went, but it did not end up here.

    Posting again:

    Long story short - fella who chooses to open carry has a history of being harassed by the Norfolk (Virginia) Police Dept. Recently the settled a complaint for $10K and a no-discuss clause. A few weeks later a bus driver calls the cops because he is OC-ing while riding the bus home. Cops arrive and detain him, take his gun from his holster, and after some lengthy amount of time determine that they cannot figure out what law to try to arrest him under.

    As happened in the previous cases, the incident is described to VCDL www.vcdl.org and on the Open Carry forum www.opncarry.org . Folks become upset over the incident and the fact that it has happened to him again!

    It is decided that a visit to the Norfolk City Council meeting is in order to voice displeasure at the repeated misbehavior of the cops.

    Check out the Virginia section of OCDO at http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum54/ . Look at anything on the first page that mentions "Norfolk". You will see an unorganized bunch of folks getting together under various topics and around various issues all coallesing to confront a city government that may just have lost its grip on reality.

    Yes, there is a loon or two in the crowd. There always will be.

    This is how activism ought to work. Discussing all the points, getting issues resolved ahead of time so that by the time the confrontation talkes place most folks are on the same page and can stick together.

    Since I have one of those ANSI hats in that wonderful fushia color, you might see my picture in the paper or on TV as a part of the crowd. The only reason I am not planning on speaking is because I am well aware of a certain quality about my voice that makes those who do not know me well believe I am quite agitated and angry whenever I speak. Rather than run the risk of my voice "upsetting" folks, I have prepared written comments to be submitted, and have assisted several others in putting their comments on paper to be read to the City Council.

    Check the OCDO forum on Wednesday and Thursday to see the reaction from the media - and remember to bring popcorn and duct tape. :D

    stay safe.

  2. Bubbles

    Bubbles Well-Known Member

    I see the second incident also made the papers.

    Gun rights group fired up over clashes with Norfolk police

    By Harry Minium
    The Virginian-Pilot
    © October 5, 2008

    Once again, members of a guns-rights advocacy group are coming to City Hall, claiming their rights have been violated by the police.

    The Virginia Citizens Defense League, a Northern Virginia-based group, said 100 or more of its members will descend upon Tuesday's City Council meeting to vent their displeasure, many with guns holstered to their hips.

    The group is upset about a police confrontation involving a member carrying a weapon openly, which is legal in Virginia.

    The group last came to the City Council in August 2007, when members protested the arrest of Chet Szymecki of Yorktown at Harborfest for openly carrying a gun. The charge was dropped; Szymecki has filed a federal suit against the city.

    They also protested at that meeting about alleged harassment of Danladi Moore, a Peninsula resident who was stopped twice by police and questioned for openly carrying a gun shortly before the meeting.

    The city paid Moore $10,000 in July to prevent what could have been long and costly litigation.

    However, Moore said, he again was stopped, on Sept. 22, this time while attempting to ride a Hampton Roads Transit bus with a gun. Moore claims police took his gun, ordered him off a bus and threatened to arrest him before eventually giving the gun back and letting him go.

    Chris Amos, police spokesman, said he couldn't respond to Moore's specific claims about his September run-in with officers.

    "All I know is, we responded to a call for service," Amos said. "We are not at liberty to just refuse" to do so.

    Amos said that after Moore's previous incidents, police leaders "sent a memo out in-house reasserting the rights citizens have to carry firearms in plain view." There hasn't been time to react to the latest incident, he said.

    Philip Van Cleave, a Midlothian resident who heads the guns-rights group, said he believes Moore will sue the city over the latest incident.

    "If Norfolk doesn't begin to get it right, Danladi may wind up owning a yacht or a castle somewhere," he said. "At some point, the people of Norfolk are going to get tired of their tax money being thrown away because the police are violating a basic right," he added.

    City Council members acknowledged that the city may have erred, but they accused gun owners of being provocative.

    Councilman W. Randy Wright has a concealed-weapons permit, has won awards for marksmanship and believes in gun rights, he said. Yet he said he is appalled by anyone who walks around with a gun in a holster.

    "Walking around downtown with a gun on your hip, that's just somebody trying to get attention, somebody trying to embarrass the city," he said. "This is not Wyatt Earp in the wild, wild West. It's an urban city with lots of problems.

    "It does absolutely nothing to further the rights of the Second Amendment."

    Replied Van Cleave: "He's admitting the city has a lot of problems. That, in itself, is a reason to carry, because you may need to protect yourself."

    Van Cleave said he wonders if the incident with Moore was racially motivated, as he is black.

    Councilman Paul R. Riddick said that's ridiculous.

    "When you see a guy standing downtown in front of a bank with a gun on, what would you expect the average policeman to do?" he said. "You'd expect him to find out what the hell is going on."

    Riddick and other council members weren't aware of the financial settlement with Moore. "Before we issue another $10,000 check, we should go to the highest court in the land," he said.

    Councilman Barclay C. Winn, who is a hunter, said the guns-rights group's actions are precisely why he won't joint the NRA - the powerful lobbyists the National Rifle Association.

    "I believe in the right to bear arms," he said. "But I just don't understand why somebody feels the need to strap a gun on his side, knowing full well that people are going to be alarmed and upset. I don't understand why they have to be such big, bad macho men."

    Van Cleave said this is not about being macho - it's about exercising a constitutional right.

    "What the city of Norfolk is asking us to do is to give up one of our basic constitutional rights," he said. "Would you ask black citizens to sit in the back of the bus and shut up?"

    Riddick left while Van Cleave's group spoke during last year's meeting, saying he didn't want to dignify the group by staying. The meeting was at times tense.

    Riddick said he knows a way to ease the tension.

    "We should call Bob's Gun Shop and have him deliver eight 9-millimeters to us," he said. "We'll keep them on our desk in case we need them."
  3. bnkrazy

    bnkrazy Well-Known Member


    Dan was arrested less than 3 hours after the city council meeting last night while walking with others at the Waterside recreation area. Others with him that were OCing were left to go their own way. Anyone withing driving distance of Norfolk needs to be in the room at the next meeting. I hope Dan ends up owning the city.

    Here's the press release by OpenCarry.org: http://devextreme.com/Personal/ForumStuff/OCDO/DanMoore_Oct07_NP.pdf

    Look for Dutch Uncle's post on this page: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum54/16765-3.html

  4. bnkrazy

    bnkrazy Well-Known Member

    Update from the VCDL Alert Today:

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