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Gun Culture - 1994 vs 2014

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by eocoolj, Nov 7, 2012.

  1. eocoolj

    eocoolj New Member

    Mar 28, 2008
    I am too young to remember the circumstances and the repercussions surrounding the 1994 gun ban, but I was hoping I could get some of you to weigh in.

    I get the impression that guns which were referred to in the last ban as "assault weapons" (particularly the AR-15) are now FAR more mainstream than they were in 1994. I believe the AR, if all manufacturers and derivatives are combined, has been the top-selling centerfire rifle for the past few years. What was the top selling centerfire rifle in 1994? Were ARs and AKs significantly more rare to see at the range? Was the gun culture more focused on hunting rifles then? Do you think the gun culture overall has grown or contracted in the past 20 years?

    OARNGESI Active Member

    Sep 9, 2011
    thats a good question i bet at the very least there is 2-3x as many ar15s now than in 94 and people appreciate bayonets way more now.
  3. Texan Scott

    Texan Scott Senior Member

    May 2, 2012
    The Texas Hill Country
    I remember, and I'm willing to bet there are enough antis left in DC who remember how that turned out for them that it won't happen again soon. They pretty much handed US gun makers a legal 10yr monopoly on semiautomatic rifles by banning the import of foreign ones, a year's warning in which to make more than enough hi-cap pre- bans to last a decade and then some, and a good excuse to charge 300% mark-up on them. By the time 2000 rolled around, and the NRA spent significantly more money than on any presidential race in history, some antis were realizing their mistake.... and a lot of them have lost seats over it. Bill Clinton knows this- he's admitted it in public. An AWB could be political suicide; but if they wanna try, it might be amusing to watch.
  4. RBid

    RBid Active Member

    Mar 30, 2012
    Wilsonville, Oregon
    The last I heard, the FBI estimate for privately owned "assault weapons" was over 4 million. That was months ago.

    The GAO should have a very comprehensive write-up on the results of the previous AWB for the Senate to review. Nothing in it would indicate that the AWB had been a success of any amount.

    I'm more worried about SCOTUS appointments.
  5. Mulk

    Mulk New Member

    Jun 22, 2012
    Northwest Atlatna Suburbs
    Also isn't their more money to be made by the anti gun crowd by keeping the conflict going as opposed to actually winning on their terms? If they were to ever win it strikes me that their 7 to 8 figure a year cash cow would be dead right?
  6. Sergei Mosin

    Sergei Mosin Participating Member

    Oct 7, 2011
    RBid is quite right. The real problem here is Obama's control over the federal judiciary and particularly Supreme Court nominations. He has already appointed two anti-2A justices and he will certainly appoint another when Ginsburg retires, which will happen soon. Scalia and Kennedy are the wild cards - both pro-2A justices, both 76 years old. If one or both of them should retire or die while Obama is president, we're in deep trouble.
  7. r1derbike

    r1derbike Active Member

    Oct 4, 2012
    Northwest Arkansas
    Civilian Assault Weapon; There's an oxymoron for you.

    Previous videos of semi-automatic weapons at the start of scare videos, then quickly going to fully-auto weapons footage to show how dangerous semi-auto legal civilian rifles were, will reappear.

    Expect the same level of under the table Brady Bill attention, this time around too.

    They think all CCW holders are criminals, waiting to commit a crime.

    I've got an observation; most politicians are criminals, who have committed crimes, but just haven't been caught yet.

    As a lame-duck, our CIC will do and try anything to screw us...what has he got to lose?

    Just hope we have enough support in D.C. to hammer him, and his under-the-table/under-the-radar sleazy, cloak and dagger politics.

    This guy is not to be trusted the next 4 years.

    I firmly believe politicians should be limited to two terms; one in office, the other in prison.
    Last edited: Nov 7, 2012
  8. lechiffre

    lechiffre Member

    Dec 4, 2007
    The 1994 ban created the demand for the AR-15.
  9. evan price

    evan price Mentor

    Dec 7, 2005
    http://www.ohioccw.org/ Ohio's best CCW resour
    Bear in mind that in 1994 Glocks were nowhere near as common but the "wondernine" high cap 9mm like Berettas and Rugers were.
    Full capacity mags quadrupled in price. The phrase "Pre-Ban" entered the lexicon.

    Otherwise it had no real effect except to cause a lot of milsurp rifles to have the threads cut off the barrels.
  10. gp911

    gp911 Participating Member

    Oct 30, 2005
    In 1994 the internet wasn't anything like it is now. Viewing pictures and loading one page took forever. The world is very different now and people aren't as insulated from other viewpoints. Information travels much faster now. ARs are MUCH more common now, but the scare tactics will be used for them along with ammo count, magazine capacity, etc.
  11. breakingcontact

    breakingcontact Participating Member

    Oct 25, 2012
    Austin, TX
    Bingo bango bongo.

    It's all about this, other appointed judges and executive orders.
  12. buck460XVR

    buck460XVR Mentor

    Feb 6, 2007
    There's been a lot of changes in the gun culture since 1994, and not just in the laws concerning what many refer to a "assault type weapons". Public positive attitude and acceptance of guns has increased greatly. By percentage many more folks in this country own guns now as back then. Look at the number of states that now allow concealed carry that would have thrown the book at you back then. Consider the increasing number of hunting and gun type TV shows that have appeared outta nowhere in the last 18 years. Public attitude in this country swings back and forth like a kite. Media hype, positive or negitive, right or wrong, has much to do with it. I remember the gun culture back in the early sixties when one could buy a then "military type assault rifle" from the back of a magazine or from a barrel in the sporting goods section of Montgomery Ward. This included high capacity semi-automatic M-1 Carbines. 45 years ago that all changed because of a negative image of guns portrayed by the media and those with power. Watching a coupla Presidents getting shot on T.V. didn't help either. Since then, education and positive image has made a big difference in the position guns have in our society today. So has electing folks that support us. We as gun owners need to continue that.
  13. SilentScream

    SilentScream Member

    Oct 17, 2004
    Columbus Ga
    I don't think we have as much to worry about as we think. We all seem to forget how egocentric these politicians are and by that I mean Obama now has his "Legacy" to think about which to me means he's going to be worried more about getting his health care stuff up and running Vs. potentially sinking his party for another decade like Clinton did the last time around. However stranger things have happened.
  14. GEM

    GEM Senior Member

    Apr 11, 2004
    There is scholarly and economic analyses that show that there are two gun cultures in the USA. One is the older outdoorsy hunting, classic target shooting crew and the other is a self-defense culture which also can have a strong urban and suburban constituency.

    Of course there is some overlap, but the SD culture is where the growth is. The interest in AK, AR pattern guns is driven by SD culture as compared to hunting long arm desires.

    The growth in gun sales reflects handguns for SD and the EBRs for home defense and disaster situations. That's the take I get from the scholary criminological work and the shooting industry analyses.

    It would be hard to take away SD/HD guns now. I saw a picture of a guy sitting in front of his house in Long Beach, NY (where I had family) with a pump gun. This is NY and in the NY Times. No one seemed freaked out by it. So despite some pols of the usual type, SD and HD gun culture is growing. 55% of GOP and 40% of Democratic households own guns. Hard to undo that.
  15. Kingcreek

    Kingcreek Senior Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    at the center of my own little universe
    The NSSF recently reported that 30% of recent gun buyers were buying their first gun, mostly for self defense, and I don't remember but a significant number of them were women.
  16. Cosmoline

    Cosmoline Senior Elder

    Dec 29, 2002
    Los Anchorage
    Bingo. As a gun control law it was a failure, but it drew enormous attention to firearms which had previously been pretty exotic and expensive curiosities. By telling people they couldn't have these things, they made everyone want one. And the law's inherent idiocy made it an easy target for the pro-gun side. Far from marginalizing "assault weapons," the law helped make them America's favorite firearms.
  17. barnbwt

    barnbwt Mentor

    Aug 14, 2011
    Either people are more paranoid than ever before, or for some reason, they've shed the shame of defending themselves. It is a very weird and abrupt shift in attitudes that I've noticed in the last 10 years or so. The zombie culture thing is a reflection of it too; folks buying for defense, but still uncomfortable admitting (even to themselves) what they're defending against.

    Society-level emotions tend to stem from some cause, and whatever it is in this case, it is certainly sowing unease in the herd...

    No kidding; just look at how obsessed Japanese mass media is with firearms, considering no has or ever will have any (hence the massive Airsoft market over there). H&Ks entire civilian business model is based on this premise, too :neener:

  18. gunnutery

    gunnutery Participating Member

    Jul 30, 2009
    The thing about the AWB that got me was the misinformation/ignorance surrounding it. People had no clue that the ban was only restricting manufacturers. I turned 18 in 1998 and bought my MAK90 and could still buy 30 round mags for it. I had friends and family that were surprised I was able to buy that.

    I think with the "information age" people are starting to look at news media and have a little less trust in the people that are supposed tell us the truth. It was how many countless media outlets that told us there would be blood up to our ankles after CCW laws started popping up?

    As others have said, SCOTUS is the biggest threat to our rights. Our recent victories have been very narrow ones. Which really blows my mind. We shouldn't have too much problems from legislators anytime soon, but the "justices" could cause major waves.
  19. USAF_Vet

    USAF_Vet Mentor

    Jan 6, 2011
    Hastings, Michigan
    I enlisted in 98 at 18, so I was a little young to really see the initial effects of the '94 AWB. First AK I saw in real life was one that was being shot at me in Iraq. Since the sunset, I see an AK virtually every time I hit an outdoor range. AR's, I see them by the truckloads. I have one, all my friends either have one or are getting one. The gun culture has indeed become more acceptable in a lot of the country. The sheer volume of guns in private hands has grown since '04, and many of them are the evil hand guns that are easy to conceal, and the "hi cap" semi auto military styled rifles.

    I have no doubt that O will attempt some form of gun control, but I don't think he'll have the support on either side of the aisle to get anything passed (without the use of an EO). I think that if he uses an EO to get his way, it won't be until after he's loaded up SCOTUS with leftist anti's. So I think we've got a couple years, at least, until we see any major push for gun control coming out of Washington.
  20. Twiki357

    Twiki357 Participating Member

    Jan 26, 2011
    Prescott Valley, AZ
    RBid said: "I'm more worried about SCOTUS appointments."

    Me to. Two or three of the conservative judges have said they were holding out until after this election and I'm afraid they won't make it until the next one.

    The other thing that worries me is executive orders. Just like his majesty ignored immigration law, he can bypass congress and issue his own orders as to how the ATF/FBI/DOJ "Interprets" existing laws.

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