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Gun in a car at work

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by eric.cartman, May 3, 2007.

  1. eric.cartman

    eric.cartman Well-Known Member

    saw a lot of posts about being/not being able to leave your peace in a car where you work.

    say they somehow suspect you do, come over to your office and say: "we want to search your car"

    couldn't you just pull the "my wife/husband/friend/whoever dropped me off today, car is at XXX location" card ???

    EDIT TO ADD: as a last resort that is.
  2. 30 cal slob

    30 cal slob Well-Known Member

    can they legally search your car?
  3. civilian

    civilian Well-Known Member

    or better yet deny the request to search your car on the grounds that it's none of their business what's in your vehicle.
  4. FireArmFan

    FireArmFan Well-Known Member

    I may be wrong but I am almost positive that in Minnesota it is ok to leave a gun in your car in a parking lot while at say an employer who bans employees the right to carry, or even in a university campus parking lot. I know it's illegal some places but I'm pretty sure it's fine where I live. Someone please correct me if i'm wrong on that tho.
  5. scurtis_34471

    scurtis_34471 Well-Known Member

    My company's employee handbook states that disciplinary action up to and including termination can be taken when a employee refuses to allow a vehicle to be searched at the discretion of the company.
  6. eric.cartman

    eric.cartman Well-Known Member

    +1 scurtis_34471

    hence my post
  7. One of Many

    One of Many Well-Known Member

    Does your company policy specify WHO does the search? Does it specify WHAT they may search for?

    I think that an employee would be justified in demanding that ONLY a Police officer be allowed to search the vehicle, and only for items that are illegal per State Law. Nothing allowed to be removed from the vehicle or displayed to any company representative, except items that are contraband under the law.

    If the company thinks that you are stealing their property, they must have sufficient evidence prior to a search, to obtain a warrant from a judge, and have a police officer perform the search, with only the specified items on the warrant being disclosed to company representatives.

    A search under any other circumstance is a violation of your civil rights. Civil rights should take precedent over contract provisions.
  8. Car Knocker

    Car Knocker Well-Known Member

    Sure you could. BUT, how are you going to get home? If management follows you out to the parking lot and watches you drive away, they've got you for dishonesty, which, in most companies, is a terminating offense. If you make other arrangements to get home, your car might look a little obvious, sitting there in the lot all by itself and might be impounded. If your company issues numbered parking decals to employees, the owner is obvious.

    It's good to think about these things ahead of time - spur of the moment ploys are often not believeable.
  9. Car Knocker

    Car Knocker Well-Known Member

    Not when you voluntarily sign those rights away.
  10. Don Lu

    Don Lu Well-Known Member

    I didnt know it was illegal or grounds for termination to leave a gun in a car. I would have thought its not a big deal, why would it be a big deal. Especially if I have a CCW permit ?
  11. glockman19

    glockman19 Well-Known Member

  12. Car Knocker

    Car Knocker Well-Known Member

    It can be, depending on the laws of the state and the rules of the company.
  13. George Hill

    George Hill Well-Known Member

    You don't have civil rights on private property. Supreme Court has ruled on it.
    Even here in Utah. If your employer specifies that certain things can not be in your car and you park your car on company property... you have no grounds. They can search... they can fire.
    If your employer is like that - fire them. And tell them why. Go to a competitor if you can.
  14. Trebor

    Trebor Well-Known Member

    Your company doesn't have the same rights as a law enforcement officer. They can't demand to search your vehicle to the point where they can arrest you if you refuse.

    What they can do is fire you if you do not allow them to search. Whether the issue comes up at all is largely dependment on the work agreement you agreed to when you accepted the job and the law of the state you live in. Many states have "at will" laws meaning that you can be fired "at will" by your employer for whatever reason they want. Refusal to allow a search of your vehicle is one reason they can use.
  15. frostbiker

    frostbiker Well-Known Member

    My company leases the space we work out of. Technically, I'm not parking on their property. I have read the regulation backwards and forwards for my job. The easy way out is stating I am heading to either my gunsmith to have some work done on it, the range for practice, or the lease after work for some hunting (in season, of course).
  16. Car Knocker

    Car Knocker Well-Known Member

    There are a few exceptions. Railroads, for instance, whose Special Agents are certified as peace officers by the state and have the same police powers as the regular police.
  17. Car Knocker

    Car Knocker Well-Known Member

    Check out the Utah/AOL case re: parking in a leased parking area. Employees were terminated and the termination upheld by the Utah SC.
  18. RNB65

    RNB65 Well-Known Member

    The best way around car issue is to do what I do -- don't use employer provided parking. I arrange my own parking from a private parking business. It's just as close to my office as the company parking and my employer has no say in what I can and cannot have in my car.
  19. George Hill

    George Hill Well-Known Member

    No, you can refuse to let them search... you just lose your job for it.
  20. greenflash107

    greenflash107 Well-Known Member

    The Company I work for also leases the buliding I work in. 80% of the workers have guns in their cars. I know the owner of the building and I Talked to him when we first moved into it. He stated he did not have any problems with anyone who worked here carrying (on their person) or in their cars. Now, the company I work with does not allow employee's to carry in the building, but they cannot stop us from having them in our cars. I can park a few spaces down away from our part of the building and I would like to see any upper management try to search our cars. The car is mine, paid in full, and no one has the right to search my property unless they have a court order. But as I said, they would have to fire 80% of the people that work here if they were to get anal about it.

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