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Gun issue keeps rural voters away from Dems

Discussion in 'Legal' started by kengrubb, Aug 23, 2006.

  1. kengrubb

    kengrubb Member

    Dec 28, 2005
    Bellevue, WA

    By David Gambrel

    If you look at a U.S. map that shows county by county where candidates for president have won and lost in recent elections, almost none of the counties where Democrats won are in rural areas. As a rural Democrat this greatly concerns me.

    One issue that has severely hampered the Democratic Party in rural America, particularly the South,is gun control. I have found that urban and rural people sometimes have completely different views on this issue. For urbanites, guns are often associated with school shootings, gangs and crime.

    When rural Americans, particularly Southern males, think of guns, it is often from a totally different perspective. To many of my friends, guns are family heirlooms. Shotguns or hunting rifles that once belonged to grandpa usually fall into the category of "it's not worth much, but I wouldn't take anything for it."

    The old gun might bring back memories of opening day of a rabbit or deer season from long ago. Sometimes it is not even a whole gun.

    All that survives of my grandfather's gun is the lock. Years ago, a dear friend told me that the lock came from a gun made around 1812. My aunts have told me that in the 1930s, grandfather would melt lead in the fireplace to make bullets for the old black-powder rifle. The rifle provided protection and put food on the table for his wife and nine children.

    That brings me to a more practical reason that rural people are so staunch in their support of gun rights. When it comes to protection in rural America, more often than not, you're on your own. It is just not practical to have a law enforcement officer on every corner as it is in the city.

    Even in the best circumstances, it sometimes can be 30 minutes before help arrives. My mother just turned 70 and lives alone. How can she protect herself from an intruder twice her size? Call 911? Install a security system? By the time help arrived she would be dead.

    So when politicians start talking about anything that remotely resembles a threat to Second Amendment rights, many rural Americans get their dander up. I have several friends who are single-issue voters when it comes to gun control. Right or wrong, that is how they have voted and will continue to vote.

    Gun control advocates would have us believe that organizations such as the National Rifle Association exaggerate the threat to private gun ownership. More than that, they would tell us not to worry, that the government will protect us.

    Tell that to those law-abiding citizens in New Orleans whose weapons were seized in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. If there was ever a time in the history of New Orleans that private citizens needed weapons for protection, it was after the hurricane.

    There are also those who would have us believe that ordinary citizens cannot be trusted with guns.

    Remember all of the uproar when the Kentucky General Assembly passed the concealed carry law? Several gun control advocates predicted something akin to Dodge City in Kentucky. But responsible Kentucky gun owners proved them wrong.

    We who believe that the Second Amendment was intended by our founding fathers to protect the individual's right to keep and bear arms also must doggedly stress that with rights come responsibilities.

    Just as strongly as I believe in the right to own a gun, I believe in the importance of safety. My father was killed in a hunting accident at age 27, so gun safety is not a trifling matter to me.

    No one should possess a firearm without knowing its safe and proper use. Most important, if you have children in your home, they must not be allowed improper access to your weapons.

    For those who believe the national party should stay the course on this issue, be warned: If it does, the victory map will continue to be more Republican than Democratic.

    David Gambrel of Waynesburg is a minister and Lincoln County's property valuation administrator. E-mail him at dkg_171@yahoo.com
  2. 71Commander

    71Commander Senior Member

    Sep 21, 2003
    Headin back to Johnson City
    I'm shallow

    I'm a single issue voter and that issue is gun control. You're anti gun, i'm anti you.
  3. ilbob

    ilbob Elder

    Jun 14, 2006
    I tend that way. I have gravitated toward two issues - guns and taxes. Politicians that understand my guns are mine and my money is mine will get my vote.

    It is a rare democrat who is willing to concede whats mine is mine to keep and use as I see fit and not his to take and use as he sees fit.
  4. TCB in TN

    TCB in TN Participating Member

    Jun 23, 2006
    Middle, TN
    Not quite single issue but close!

    I tend to agree mine is mine and if you let me alone with it then I am much more inclined to vote for you. That being said with the National Democratic parties willingness to pander to Brady and to use DNC money to push both Anti Gun legislation and Anti Gun legislators, it takes a very special person on the Democratic side of the ticket to get my vote. Not that I am a huge fan of the current RNC as there are way to many RINOs, but sadly in todays political arena rather than vote for who you feel will do the best job, you just have to vote for who you feel will do the least damage!:mad:
  5. antsi

    antsi Participating Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    The author of the article is correct, but his implication is that Democrats should change their stance on gun issues. I doubt this will happen. Look at it from the Democrats' point of view: change to a pro-gun platform, and you may pick up a few rural votes, while simultaneously alienating millions of urban socialists, university blissninnies, former hippies, and inner-city government dependents. The math does not add up.

    What they will do is go into stealth mode on gun issues - try to keep their antigun activism under wraps until after the elections. Hilary will have a photo-op shooting skeet somewhere. Harry Reid will declare his support for the second ammendment rights of hunters. This way, they will hope to pick up a few rural fence-sitters without changing their real agenda.
  6. Dr. Dickie

    Dr. Dickie Participating Member

    Apr 19, 2006
    Jacksonville Beach, FL
    Well, traditionally Southern Democrats have pretty much been against almost everything the current "progressive" Democrats stand for.
    If they changed their stand on gun-control, I doubt too many Southern Democrats would switch (although I know that for many I know, that is the one buzz-issue they mention).
  7. K-Romulus

    K-Romulus Participating Member

    Dec 31, 2003
    Somewhere in Monkey County, MD
    crime response IS an "urban" issue

    Even Wash DC, with something like 50 local LEO's per square mile, is under a crime emergency.

    There are some 18-odd links among the three parties in the response chain that must all be connected before direct LEO assistance can happen:

    1) victim recognizes a problem
    2) victim makes decision to try to call for police assistance
    3) victim must identify communication method
    4) victim procures communication method
    5) attempt to open communication channel
    6) secure communication link with 911/LEO
    7) explain the problem to 911/LEO
    8) have 911/LEO understand problem
    9) give location of need
    10) 911/LEO understand location
    11) 911/LEO determines which responding unit to dispatch
    12) 911/LEO secures communication link with responding unit
    13) 911/LEO explain problem and location of problem to responding unit
    14) responding unit determines route to location
    15) responding unit travels to location
    16) responding unit arrives on scene
    17) responding unit assesses situation
    18) responding unit decides course of action (which could mean NO action until further backup arrives)

    Let's say you can get the chain done in 5 minutes or less from problem to on-scene assistance. How many times can you stab a watermelon with a kitchen knife in five minutes?:eek:

    Letting blissninnies living in insular enclaves set national policy on firearms ownership makes as much sense as having a Klavern hanging around some holl'er setting national policy on race/ethnic discrimination.

    As a Democrat, I applaud any effort on getting this issue unscrewed.
    Last edited: Aug 23, 2006
  8. dracphelan

    dracphelan Active Member

    Oct 15, 2005
    Garland, TX
    Well, from what I've seen, the vast majority (90%+) of traditional Southern Democrats have switched to the Republican party. In the recent primaries for Texas Governor, the Democrats had a choice between someone who got an A from the NRA and TSRA and someone who got a C. The Texas Democrats chose someone who got a C.
  9. Henry Bowman

    Henry Bowman Senior Member

    Dec 30, 2002
    Cincinnati, Ohio
    That is a very well written op-ed piece. No inflamatory language, hyperbole, or distortions.

    As a (libertarian-leaning) conservative, my home has usually been in the Republican party. However, anti-gun RINOs (like Senator DeWine) will not get my vote, either.
  10. 22-rimfire

    22-rimfire Elder

    Jun 11, 2005
    The problem is that the core Democratic leadership DOES favor significant gun control measues. Kerry (last presidential election) for example said he did not want to take the guns away from legitimate hunters or for legitimate sporting purposes. He of course is referring to shotguns for the most part. What about handguns or rifles? What are legitimate uses? He has voted for every gun control measure to come along that I am aware of. This is true of many of the Democratic leadership including the rookie NY Senator Hillary Clinton. How can I support someone like that?

    The Democrats would favor gun control measures similar to Great Britian. The truth is that they want to eliminate private ownership of firearms in general. They would be the party to use the UN decree to disarm the American population. Their approach now is death by many cuts, but death all the same to the gun owning private citizen.

    Gun Control the one issue that tilts my vote one way or the other. You just can't trust the Democrats regardless of what they might say in regard to firearm issues.
  11. rev214

    rev214 New Member

    Nov 9, 2005
    "Land of Landfills",New Jersey
    i completely agree...you saw what happened with Joe Lieberman...they dumped him fast and followed the party candidate...it would be the same with any 2nd Amendment or gun control platforms from the national party...i don't think there's too many democrats with enough political strength (and guts, for that matter) to stand up to the national party when they're expecting victory in November...
  12. ArmedBear

    ArmedBear Senior Elder

    Sep 8, 2005
    So wait...

    Rural conservative voters really love to vote for the party that supports an absolute right to abortion at 38 weeks, "affirmative action," high taxes that transfer their money to city dwellers, more regulation on the businesses that comprise rural opportunity, feel-good environmental laws that pander to trendy yuppies who don't have dirty boots and rob rural families of their livelihoods?

    Rural conservative voters really LIKE people like John Kerry, because there's nothing that plays better in rural America than taking both sides of an issue, and talking up Europe as a model for America to follow. They LOVE sending off the tax money they earned by the sweat of their brows in physical jobs, so that urban welfare mothers can buy new Nikes. They HATE the idea of school vouchers, and they LOVE the idea of taxing gasoline up to $5 a gallon or more, because hell, they don't need gasoline anyway out in the country. Rural conservatives really believe that "theocracy" is a huge threat.

    Yeah, if it weren't for guns, rural voters would all be "progressives".:rolleyes:
  13. The_Shootist

    The_Shootist Participating Member

    Aug 15, 2003
    Richmond Tx, CSA
    Single Issue Here!

    I won't forget it was Gov (now Pres) Bush who signed into law the Texas CHL laws and it was Democratic politicians at the national level throughout the Comrade Klinton years that sought to eliminate our 2nd Amendment rights.

    I simply can't see myself EVER voting Democratic based on that parties anti-2nd Amendment bias.
  14. cbsbyte

    cbsbyte Participating Member

    Mar 24, 2005
    Cradle of Liberty
    There are two main types of Democrats. The first are the urban Progressives who now control the party. Starting thirty years ago, many of them left the urban areas and moved into rural areas of the blue states, overpowering the controling traditional Democrats. The traditional Democrats, who are mostly Union workers, blue collar, and middle class small business owners, tend to be far more moderate on most issues than the Progressives. They are the ones who where gun owners, and pro-2nd AD. Unfortuantly they are now a dying breed. Since the progressive have taken over the public school systems in the areas they live in, they have indocurnated the childern of the traditional Dems to become far left progressives. Many traditional democrats in these states left the party to become independents. This is why in most blue states Independent voters out number Democrats 2 to 1. This is what happen in Mass which at one time was a much more conservative Democrat state. In southern red states, the traditional Democrats still have some power. Though many became Republicans or Independents.
  15. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Senior Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    Looking for a cow that Queen Meadhbh stole
    What ArmBear said :D
  16. SIOP

    SIOP Member

    Jan 12, 2005
    Likewise, I can't find myself ever voting Democrat, but I also don't see me voting Republican anytime soon, either.

    I've posted this stuff a few times recently, but it bears repeating for those who have missed it:

    Here's a few things the Republicans have done in recent years: Reagan lobbied for passage of the assault weapons ban and the Brady Bill before Congress, he also banned new machinegun manufacture for civilians. Bush I implemented the ban in imports of "non-sporting" firearms. Bush II stated that he would sign an assault weapons ban, he also expanded his daddy's ban to also include imported barrels and such. Republicans also banned "cop-killer" bullets and are pushing to close the so-called "gun show loophole".

    The Republicans aren't really any better than the Democrats, the only real difference is that the Democrats let everyone know where they stand, while the Republicans talk the talk but screw us behind our backs.
  17. Lone_Gunman

    Lone_Gunman Mentor

    Dec 24, 2002
    United Socialist States of Obama
    Read my sig line and tell me why Republicans are better than Democrats.
  18. ArmedBear

    ArmedBear Senior Elder

    Sep 8, 2005
    I don't especially LIKE the Republicans, but in politics, it's important to separate substance from rhetoric.

    I look at the results of having a Republican Congress and President, and despite some serious disappointments, I like what I see better than what the Democrats gave us and promise us.

    Letting the AWB die had the same substantive effect as crusading against it, without stirring the political pot so much -- keeping the controversy down to a dull roar probably HELPED our cause a LOT more than making daily headlines would have, BTW. Now, we can point to history and say, "See, the AWB is gone, and the world hasn't ended." Two years ago, this was not so, and the hysterics controlled the rhetoric.

    Again, I'd love to see GW have a born-again experience and change his legal name to John Galt, but when it came down to choosing between W and Kerry, it was one of the easiest choices I ever made.

    Now for the next election....
  19. SIOP

    SIOP Member

    Jan 12, 2005
    Having studied the candidates and read my ballot, I realized that there choices OTHER than W or Kerry, both of whom treatened my right to keep and bear arms. I voted for someone who promised they WOULDN'T infringe on that right.

    Spare me the "You wasted your vote" line of crap, too.
  20. Ralph G. Briscoe

    Ralph G. Briscoe New Member

    Aug 20, 2006
    I am a rural conservative

    <<Rural conservative voters really love to vote for the party that supports an absolute right to abortion at 38 weeks, "affirmative action," high taxes that transfer their money to city dwellers, more regulation on the businesses that comprise rural opportunity, feel-good environmental laws that pander to trendy yuppies who don't have dirty boots and rob rural families of their livelihoods?>>

    I really love to vote for the party of people who would deny my daughter an abortion after she's raped by one of the illegal immigrants they allow into the country for the benefit of their corporate donors. I love to vote for the party that established "affirmative action" for the rich by reducing their taxes to historic lows so that we in the middle class can make up the difference. I love to vote for the party that lets polluters write environmental law so people like my neighbors in Cheatham county, Tennessee can get cancer from drinking their well water. I really love to vote for the party that sent my 54 year neighbor (Grandfather of 7) to Iraq
    with his National guard unit so he could die for God knows what. I really love to vote for the party that has bankrupted our country and left the bill for my Grandchildren. I really love to vote for the party that steals elections, ignores the law, and tramples the constitution. I love to vote for the party that lets my job be outsourced abroad then allows the company that did it to avoid taxes by relocating its "headquarters" to Bermuda.

    I'm conservative, but I'm not stupid and neither are a lot of the other real conservatives--fiscal conservatives, people who believe in the rule of law and the sanctity of the constitution. There's nothing conservative about the bunch running the country now. To the contrary, fiscally speaking they are the most rabid radicals we've ever seen...like drunken teenagers with Daddy's credit card.

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