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"Gun lobby prepares for battle over rights"

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  1. PythonFan

    PythonFan New Member

    Mar 25, 2006

    Gun lobby prepares for battle over rights
    By Andrew Ward

    Published: April 17 2007 18:40 | Last updated: April 17 2007 18:40

    Last Saturday, Wayne LaPierre, executive vice-president of the National Rifle Association, urged delegates at the group’s annual convention in St Louis, Missouri, to prepare for “the storm that lies ahead”.

    He was referring to the threat posed to the gun lobby by a Democratic-controlled Congress and the risk that the White House could also fall into enemy hands next year.

    Mr LaPierre cannot have imagined that the storm he predicted would arrive two days later in the most tragic circumstances.

    Monday’s fatal shooting of 32 students on a Virginia college campus has thrust the issue of gun control back towards the top of the political agenda and put the country’s powerful gun lobby on the defensive.

    Opinion polls consistently show that a majority of Americans would support stricter controls – a Gallup poll last year found 56 per cent in favour – and the proportion is likely to increase following this week’s tragedy.

    But, for many of the estimated 80m Americans in possession of a firearm, gun ownership remains a cherished constitutional right.

    According to accounts of his speech at the NRA convention, Mr LaPierre implored gun-owners to resist those seeking to limit the “right to bear arms”. “Today, there is not one firearm owner whose freedom is secure,” he warned.

    The NRA is one of the most powerful lobbying organisations in the US, with more than 4m members and a $180m annual budget. Its role in helping secure Republican control of the White House and Congress for much of the past decade has arguably been matched only by the Christian conservative movement.

    Before the 2000 presidential election, the NRA boasted that it was so close to George W. Bush that it would “work out of [his] office”.

    The group’s power is amplified by its disproportionate influence over several rural swing states, such as West Virginia and Tennessee, which were crucial to Mr Bush’s narrow victory in 2000. Addressing an NRA convention after that election, Mr LaPierre told members: “You are why Al Gore isn’t in the White House”.

    NRA support for the Republicans has been rewarded with a series of measures strengthening the rights of gun-owners and gun manufacturers.

    Among the first concessions was a White House order for the FBI to destroy records of background checks on gun-owners within 24 hours, amid NRA fears that the information could be used to create a national gun registry.

    The Bush administration has also sought to weaken some UN initiatives against global gun smuggling, while Congress passed a law protecting gun manufacturers from liability for gun-related violence and allowed a ban on semi-automatic assault rifles to expire.

    Arguably the biggest victory for the gun lobby has been the administration’s endorsement of the widest possible interpretation of the second amendment of the US constitution, on “the right of the people to keep and bear arms”.

    For decades, federal courts ruled that the amendment allowed for restrictions on gun ownership through its reference to the necessity for states to keep “a well-regulated militia”.

    But John Ashcroft, Mr Bush’s first attorney-general, backed the NRA’s view that the right to gun ownership rests with the individual. This broader interpretation was accepted by a federal appeals court for the first time in March, when Washington DC’s 30-year ban on keeping handguns in the home was declared unconstitutional.

    Like most conservative interest groups, however, the gun lobby found itself out of step with the national mood when the Democrats took control of Congress last November. A number of prominent NRA-backed Republican senators were defeated, including George Allen of Virginia, Conrad Burns of Montana and James Talent of Missouri.

    But it is far from certain that the Democrats will seriously challenge the gun lobby even after this week’s tragedy. Scarred by the role that gun politics played in the defeats of Al Gore and John Kerry in the past two presidential elections, analysts say many Democrats would be reluctant to support draconian laws that risk alienating gun-owners.

    John Conyers, chairman of the House judiciary committee, pledged before November’s election that he would not “support or forward to the House any legislation to ban handguns”.

    Howard Dean, chairman of the Democratic National Committee, has argued that gun control policy should be set at state level, allowing candidates in rural states to adopt pro-gun positions while those in urban areas push for restrictions. Mr Dean’s strategy was rewarded by the election of numerous gun-friendly Democrats in November, further weakening the party’s traditonal support for gun control.

    Despite Mr LaPierre’s warnings about the Democrats, the NRA has been quietly working to build bridges with the party. The group backed 58 gun-friendly Democrats in November and the percentage of its political donations going to Democrats has more than doubled from 6 per cent in 2002 to about 13 per cent last year.

    With the Democratic threat tamed, the most pressing concern for many gun rights activists is the race for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008. John McCain, Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney, the three leading candidates, have all supported varying degrees of gun control, making the NRA nervous that its gains during the Bush years could be squandered by a Republican successor.
  2. Ratzinger_p38

    Ratzinger_p38 Active Member

    Mar 11, 2007
    Good observation. We might be safe for now, but with an Obama in the White House I wouldnt feel so safe.

    I just wish they could 'ban' trying to pass new gun laws for 50 years. Wait till after Im dead or dying, I dont want to see the US turn into 'enlightened' Belguim or some other Eurotrash country.
  3. Waitone

    Waitone Mentor

    Dec 25, 2002
    The Land of Broccoli and Fingernails
    Interestingly enough we may NOT have a slug-fest on gun control.

    I would say the pro-self defense forces are at a distinct disadvantage. Bush has been maneuvered into a corner in Iraq. He demands funding (which is running out) for the way without a date certain for withdrawal. Democrats want the date. Enter stage left VT shooting. I do not put it past democrats to offer Bush his date free financing in exchange for european style gun control. I do not put it past Bush to accept such a deal. He wants no date on Iraq and he has a demonstrated contempt for issues constitutional.

    My little scenario would also bypass an ugly public fight for democrats who still think they lost and election due to their position on gun control.

    I do not have a good feeling.
  4. Outlaw Man

    Outlaw Man Participating Member

    Jan 18, 2007
    Cleaning my guns.
    Well, they need to get behind the pro-gun Republican candidates now and help push them to the front while there's still a chance of them beating out the big three.

    I think the biggest (and maybe only) battle right now will be standard- and high-capacity magazines.

    The bigger fights will come if next November secures a large contingency of anti-gun Legislators and an anti-gun President.
  5. Bartholomew Roberts

    Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus

    Dec 26, 2002
    Wow, you don't need to guess how that author feels about guns. Talk about slanted...

    Gee... thanks for the big concession. I didn't realize that promising for one session not to ban my private property was a big gift.
  6. LAR-15

    LAR-15 Senior Member

    Mar 1, 2004
    Someone forgot to tell that person some pro gun Democrats were elected to Congress and their not stupid enough to support or vote for gun bans.
  7. Zundfolge

    Zundfolge Elder

    Dec 24, 2002
    Colorado Springs
    Or Hillary, or Gore, or Rudy, or McCain, or Romney...
  8. ArmedBear

    ArmedBear Senior Elder

    Sep 8, 2005
    Gun "Lobby"

    Anti-Gun "Activists"


    Note how many more everday citizens are members of the NRA than are members of the Anti groups, which are orders of magnitude smaller, and populated with attorneys and Washington insiders?

    Sure, Sandra Froman is both of these things, as well. But a "lobby" for a group of millions of individuals with varying degrees of activism, vs. an "activist" group comprised of a few lobbyists and almost no actual "activists" as we think of the term?

    Interesting embedded bias.

    Same thing goes for various other causes, BTW. Look closely at articles about environmental issues, etc.
  9. SoCalShooter

    SoCalShooter Senior Member

    Oct 3, 2006
    That's for me to know and not you!
    Glad I signed up with the NRA this past weekend at the gun show. i have heard a lot said about the NRA good and bad, but either way they do fight.
  10. GlenJ

    GlenJ Member

    Jan 2, 2005
    Chesapeake VA
    First thing I did when I got home yesterday was send in a donation to the NRA-ILA Political Victory Fund. I'm also joining the VDCL this week.
  11. Ratzinger_p38

    Ratzinger_p38 Active Member

    Mar 11, 2007
    I hear you there. I am going to finally sign up this summer, the Libertarian party is bugging me for $$$$ and I have to take care of them first ;P
  12. jamz

    jamz Participating Member

    Nov 28, 2003
    I'm a maniac, maniac at your door
    It's an English publication, what did you expect?
  13. Redneck with a 40

    Redneck with a 40 Senior Member

    Jul 26, 2006
    A senior political analyst on CNN reported last night that the chances of any new gun control legislation marching through Congress is slim to none. Lou Dobbs on CNN reiterated the same point with a couple of his guest's. I've heard this comment on CNN several times today. Harry Reid has come out and said "lets take a deep breath, lets be rational". Translation: The dem's won't touch gun control because they know its political suicide. Besides, many of the freshman democrats are pro-gun. I think we are safe until 2008, if the Dem's win the whitehouse, then we need to worry. I think this is an over-reaction to generate fear. Nontheless, I'll be keeping a close eye on Congress.

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