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gun safety message after 24

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Ridgeway, Nov 25, 2003.

  1. Ridgeway

    Ridgeway Well-Known Member

    For those whom missed it, following tonights episode of 24, was a gun safety message, delievered by keifer sutherland- essentially sayng despite guns being used in the show always keep guns locked and unloaded...interesting...not quite sure what to make of it one way or another...
  2. Mark Tyson

    Mark Tyson Well-Known Member

    What good is an unloaded gun?

    But then again, this does not sound as bad as some of the crap I would expect from Hollywood. Maybe they realize that a lot of people own guns and are not willing to part with them.
  3. Devonai

    Devonai Well-Known Member

    The site that sponsored this message is Americans for Gun Safety, founded by Monster.com's Andrew McKelvey. They bill themselves as a "moderate," "non-partisan" group for "sensible" gun control laws. In other words, they're just as bad as any other gun control group. This seriously ticks me off as 24 was, up until this point, one of my favorite shows.

  4. Harry Tuttle

    Harry Tuttle Well-Known Member

    whats odd is Kiefer said
    "please contact the organization shown on your screen for more information"

    maybe next week it will be the NRA

    but i kinda doubt that
  5. Mark Tyson

    Mark Tyson Well-Known Member

    The NRA and the other pro gun groups have done more to promote gun safety than all these gun control advocates ever have.
  6. El Tejon

    El Tejon Well-Known Member

    Are we to unload and lock up our fire extinguishers as well.:rolleyes:

    A Hollywierd star, living in a gated community with armed guards and armed body guards, telling you uneducated serfs how to live? Imagine that?:rolleyes:
  7. Cawdor

    Cawdor Well-Known Member

    Since the episode involved Russian roulette, it may have just been a CYA.
  8. MAKOwner

    MAKOwner Well-Known Member

    Yeah, it was because of the roulette stuff, none of the other episodes have had that. Just an attempt to have a "responsible" message about guns after a big roulette scene...
  9. Gordon Fink

    Gordon Fink Well-Known Member

    Yeah, but Mark Tyson is right, which is why that PSA was so irritating.

    ~G. Fink
  10. winstonsmith

    winstonsmith Well-Known Member

    Definitely a CYA. And don't blame Keifer, he just says what they tell him to say :rolleyes: :uhoh:
  11. Billmanweh

    Billmanweh Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure I see how this site is anti-gun.

    "Guns are an important part of life in America."

    "As Americans, we know that we can do more to promote gun safety and respect the rights of gun owners.

    The Americans for Gun Safety Foundation is a not-for-profit organization that supports the rights of Americans who own firearms for sport, protection, and collection.

    AGS Foundation is committed to educating Americans about gun rights and responsibilities—including responsible gun ownership, existing gun laws, and new policy options to help keep guns out of the hands of criminals and children."

    sounds reasonable to me...
  12. Ebbtide

    Ebbtide Well-Known Member

    I may not have heard it correctly, but I thought it was "always keep your firearms safely stored and locked", not "unloaded".

    If anything, I thought the PSA was as Pro-Gun as you can get for network TV (but this if FOX, eh). It seemed to be an appropriate message, IMO.
  13. Andrew Rothman

    Andrew Rothman Well-Known Member

    Please see you opthamologist right away!

    From the site: (http://ww2.americansforgunsafety.com/the_issues.asp)

    Oh, they are anti-gun all right.
  14. Billmanweh

    Billmanweh Well-Known Member

    I see it as being almost completely unbiased

    if wal-mart can't comply with the appropriate state and federal gun laws, I agree that they need to take a break from selling firearms until they pull their heads out of their asses. how does it help the pro-gun cause for wal-mart to sell guns to people who can't pass a background check?

    "Wal-Mart's corporate leadership once again is leading the way on responsible gun sales. Last year, Americans for Gun Safety Foundation (AGSF) asked Wal-Mart to agree not to transfer firearms to potential buyers until background checks are fully completed, despite the law that allows such transfers after three business days in most states. When we told Wal-Mart that they could inadvertently be arming criminals by making such transfers, they agreed to adopt the AGSF policy of "don't know, don't sell" - in other words, Wal-Mart will no longer transfer a gun until they receive notice from law enforcement that the buyer is approved. This was responsible gun sale policy at its finest."

    "Now Wal-Mart has taken another positive step, suspending firearm sales in California, after being informed by Attorney General Bill Lockyer that his department had found numerous violations of state law in the way Wal-Mart employees were handling gun sales. We hope Wal-Mart is soon able to right itself and resume firearm sales in California in a manner fully consistent with state law. And we hope that other licensed gun sellers follow Wal-Mart's lead, by adopting the AGSF "don't know/don't sell" policy and by responding quickly and responsibly to demands from state and federal regulators to come into compliance with the laws regulating the sale of firearms."

    again, what are we disagreeing with?
  15. Gunner45

    Gunner45 Well-Known Member

    Yea, when I saw that, little red flags strarted to wave. It just didn't taste right.

  16. anapex

    anapex Well-Known Member

    I was pretty ticked when I saw this(24 is a favorite of mine) but after talking with my wife we agreed it probably was because of the roullete scene. Neither the previous shows in this season or the first two seasons had anything like this.
  17. peashooter

    peashooter Well-Known Member

    At first I was "what the f---!" , but then after the scenes in the show, I didn't mind too much.
    They do sling a lot of lead on 24. Still the best drama going .......for now.
  18. NJ3

    NJ3 Well-Known Member

    They also aired the "Viewer Discretion" message after every commercial break of last nights 24, something I don't recall seeing during other episodes. (I could be wrong) Maybe the Fox executives considered this particular 24 episode to be more "intense" than other episodes. I believe it was all just CYA.
  19. Oracle

    Oracle Well-Known Member

    Kiefer Sutherland is a libertarian and is known to support gun rights. I seriously doubt this was anything other than a CYA by the network.
  20. Andrew Rothman

    Andrew Rothman Well-Known Member

    This group wants Wal Mart to EXCEED the legal requirements for CA.

    There is a reason that after 3 days of no answer, it is presumed BY LAW to be "yes." It is to keep the feds from imposing unreasonable delays.

    By demanding that the stores wait for an explicit "yes," they allow the feds to fiddle around while depriving the purchaser of his legal right to buy a gun.

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