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gun shops in europe?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by coosbaycreep, Sep 11, 2009.

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  1. coosbaycreep

    coosbaycreep Well-Known Member

    I was in europe for two weeks last month, and only seen two gun shops while I was there. I know guns aren't as popular...or legal in europe as they are in America, but the two shops I did see were rather pathetic.

    I went to one in Bucharest, Romania, and they only had 8 guns in there! I've got three times that many in my safe, and I'm just poor white trash. To be fair, the few guns they had were all super expensive brands like Merkel, which is a far cry from my small collection of mossbergs and keltecs, but still, I thought it was pretty sad. At least the chick running the place was hot though....in a third world, malnourished, vampire kinda way.

    The only other gun shop I seen was in Budapest, Hungary. It was closed the day I was there and had bars on the windows so I couldn't really peek in, but most of the stickers on the windows were for American gun makers like Remington and Winchester.

    So are gun shops/selection really as limited in europe as it appeared to me?

    Another thing that surprised me about the places I visited in europe (romanian, austria, slovakia, germany, hungary), was just how much graffitti and hoodlums there was. Every major city I went to looked just as bad as any comparably sized American city. Romania is probably the worst place I've ever visited in my life. In fact, I felt more unsafe there than I ever have in Mexico.

    Although I wasn't a victim of any sort of crimes or anything while I was there, I do know that if I had to live in any of those countries, I'd rather have a gun to protect myself than to be reliant on the police, as europe appears just as dangerous as America does. Maybe I'm just an eternal pessimist (or maybe europeans are naive or in denial), but I just don't get how europeans can be so anti-gun, when their countries feel just as unsafe as ours does, only they don't have the right to protect themselves?

    After talking to some of the folks over there, I was also amazed at how many of them thought America was some lawless nation overrun with gun loving hillibillies who rob, rape, and shoot everything in sight. Regardless of our last president, I was disappointed by the amount of anti-Americanism held by most of the people I talked to, and how most of them believed their nation's were so much better and safer than ours, even though they clearly have less freedoms. Makes me glad I live in the greatest state in the greatest nation on earth.
  2. Sunray

    Sunray Well-Known Member

    Romania. Formerly part of the Warsaw Pact. Hungary. Communist country until 1989.
    "...in a third world, malnourished, vampire kinda way...." Translyvannia is part of Romania.
    "...limited in Europe as it appeared to me?..." Eastern Europe, for sure. Not many in the rest of Europe either.
  3. gearchecker

    gearchecker Well-Known Member

    Isn't the 2nd Amendment great, read and learn the basics

    The second Amendment is what makes this country feel safer than any other counrty on the earth.
    Our government has not taken away the right for us americans to protect ourselves, or to own firearms. As most countries in Europe have done.

    This is what it's all about.
    From what I have studied and understand, the 2nd amendment was written with the intent of giving the people the right, to have the capability to protect themselves from the government and tyrannical rule.
    The people will not be able to revolt when (not if) the government gets out of control, if their guns have been confiscated. So the 2nd amendment was written to protect the rights of the people to "keep" and "to bear arms" against the government when (not if) it gets out of control.

    The rights of the "people" in the 2nd amendment was not just the right to own guns for their personal use, but to keep the government from taking their guns to avoid an anti-tyrannical revolt.

    When it was written, the Royals in England had recently tried to force all of it's citizens to turn over all of their guns, including the shotguns they used to hunt for food to survive.
    The Royals felt, that if the people weren't able to hunt for their own food they would be fully subjudicated to their rules and judgements.
    The Royals thought they could command the "people" to live on what little they made available and if they were the "peoples" only means of food, they would have total control over the "people". The "people" could not revolt if they had only hay forks and basic farming tools against the government that had guns and cannons.
    Simply put - If you didn't do what they wanted, they would starve you to death. Without any guns to revolt, the "people" were no threat and the Royals could, and did as they pleased.

    Our forefathers made certain that we, "the american people" would always have the right to protect oursevles in a well armed militia from the government's absolute tyrannical control.

    And because of that, we have the right to have guns in our homes, and the right to carry firearms as we go thru our daily lives.
    Personal protection that is "concealed" keeps us safer for the most part.
    The bad guys don't know who is "carrying", so they must be more selective of their victims. They must always be weary of the "armed victim" that will defend himself/herself if the need arises.
    Just that possibility keeps us safer on our streets, than in any other country.

    Thankfully somebody was thinking into the future when this country was founded.
    The 2nd amendment does work!
    The second was not written to give us the right "to own a gun".
    It was written so that we could protect ourselves from the government.

    Think this thru very carefully -
    The government wrote a law, that give us the right to protect ourselves, from the very same government that wrote it.

    And that's the 2nd amendment, isn't it grand!
  4. Sunray

    Sunray Well-Known Member

    "...The Royals..." Read the history again, but not written by an American. The Royals had nothing to do with it. England had long been a Constitutional Monarchy by 1776.
    Your Second Ammendment has nothing to do with Eastern European gun shops either.
  5. 25 Pdr

    25 Pdr Well-Known Member

    Here in the UK this is the only type of Gun Shop that Visitors are likely to see..


    There are Gun Shops but they are not allowed a public display. Here is the one I use at our local clay range.


    Although handguns and self loading centre fire rifles are not allowed in the UK, if you jump through lots of hoops you can own lots of long guns. I have 18 firearms.

    Have seen many comments about us giving up our guns without a fight, what people have to remember is all guns are registered and owning an unregistered gun carries a FIVE year mandatory jail sentence.

    BTW Have a look at this press report of a shop near me, raided for selling certain types of knifes. Yes even knives are banned.

  6. Silvanus

    Silvanus Well-Known Member

    That's like going to a gunshop in California and asking if the selection is as limited in the USA...

    You should have visited a gun shop in Luxembourg :D

    I daresay the selection we have is even larger than in any American shop

    You can take a look at these sites for example:

    http://www.reloading-center.com/index.php (armes a feu==> occasion==> carabines)


  7. Sav .250

    Sav .250 Well-Known Member

    Read your post..... Makes you wonder why everybody is breaking down our doors to get into this country......... if it`s as bad as they think/say.
  8. Cycler

    Cycler Member

    Silvanus - Holy Carp! A ППШ for under 300 euros!
  9. Mp7

    Mp7 Well-Known Member


    may be a bad example......

    Here it is way safer than in the US.

    I walk any street at any time, without having
    the need to carry a gun.

    A pepper spray and an awake mind will do.
  10. Afy

    Afy Well-Known Member

    Luxemberg, Switzerland, Belgium and France.

    You mght be surprised by what you find.
  11. KenWP

    KenWP member

    I have been in gun shops in France they seemed okay to me except for the locked door and haveing to be buzzed in. The only gun shops I have been in in England was Purdy,Holland and Holland and Boss but that was why I was in those shops to see the mystery of $250,000 guns.
  12. 52grain

    52grain Well-Known Member

    Mp7- what part of Hamburg do you live in? I lived there for a year and there are definitely places south of the Elbe that I would not go out after dark without a group. In the vast majority of the places that I have been to in the US, a can of mace would have been more than sufficient. I have never carried a gun for protection and do not own a handgun.

    The only time that I have ever been jumped was near Hamburg city hall after a fireworks show in early September/late August. It was a group of 3 teenagers that obviously didn't know much. One of them jumped while punching a guy I was with. They ran off after we stood our ground.

    Bottom line, I agree with the majority of the people posting: The majority of Western Europe is more or less as safe as the majority of the US and European gun laws are over the top. Seriously, there are plenty of good reasons why you might want/need a semi-auto hunting rifle.
  13. Afy

    Afy Well-Known Member

    Klineia: The gun laws in Europe are very different to those of the nanny state known as the UK.
    We can an do own Semi Autos of all kinds, auto's a legal in some places as well. Pistols, revolvers et al are easy to get. Yes there are quirks in the law like everywhere else.

    Silencers are over the counter in most countries for example. I have one for my .260, 9mm and .22 LR rifle and pistol. Thinking of getting one for my Vz 58.

    Now the nanny state of UK, hell you need a police background check to drive your or your neighbours kids to the ball game.
  14. 52grain

    52grain Well-Known Member

    Afy- Where are you located? In Germany gun ownership was highly regulated. At one time (this may have changed) you had to get a permit to own a gun (one permit per gun) that expired every three years and the government required that gun owners purchase insurance.
  15. Silvanus

    Silvanus Well-Known Member

    A what? :D

    Wait, you mean the PPSH, right? :) (and they are in a pretty nice condition too, I handled one at that shop)
  16. mljdeckard

    mljdeckard Well-Known Member

    MP7 -There's a big difference between 'feeling' safe and BEING safe. Those who are not allowed to arm themselves have a sense of peace because there is nothing they can do about their own safety. They will tell themselves that they are whether they are safe or not. I lived in Denmark and Germany for four years, including more than a couple of trips to Hamburg, and I will absolutely tell you, you are fooling yourself. Europe has the exact same crime problems as America. (illegal) Immigrants running drug and human smuggling trade. The actual victimization rate, meaning, the likelihood that you will be the victim of a violent crime, is much higher in pretty much all of Europe than in America. In America, the bulk of the violence is concentrated to bad parts of some big cities and the border crossing points.

    When you start carrying a gun for protection, you have a change in attitude. You start to see things you ignored before, because it's even more important to avoid trouble in the first place. You realize all of the things you were missing. When you are then forced to not carry a gun, because you move somewhere that denies your right to self-defense, you are faced with the reality of how vulnerable you are. You will never feel 'safe' with pepper spray after you have carried a gun.

    And yes, no matter how much I love Paris, Prague, Copenhagen, Berlin, Munich, and London, I am always glad to come home. (By the way, I have witnessed violent crime in ALL of those cities.)
  17. MachIVshooter

    MachIVshooter Well-Known Member

    The problem was that you all didn't fight hard enough to defeat the earlier, seemingly lesser bits of gun control that allowed it to get to that point. That is why we here in the USA so adamantly oppose any sort of registration.

    While the homicide rate in the US is higher, through Europe you have, on average, a greater likelihood of being a victim of violence than in the United States. Remember, the worst violent crimes are not the only violent crimes. Also remember that the extreme majority of our violent crime is concentrated in the major urban areas, most of which have stricter gun control. Of course, the population density and diversity is a greater factor in the crime rate, but the likelihood of victims being unarmed certainly plays a part in that. In the area where I reside, over 85% of households are armed, and the attitude that prevails in this area is one of fierce independence and protection of life and property. There hasn't been a documented homicide or forceable rape in my lifetime in this county. About the only violence out here is domestic, the occasional barfight, or teenagers at school duking it out. Property crimes are also minimal; the last police chase here was 2-1/2 years ago. Two teenagers stole an SUV, got made when they ran a stopsign in front of a sheriff's deputy.

    Not trying to start a pissing match here, but can you buy a firearm whenever you feel like it without first obtaining some sort of license or permit? While I despise the NFA regulations, I find our restrictions on silencers and full autos far more palletable than having licensing and registration requirements for ALL guns.
  18. oneounceload

    oneounceload member

    Maybe you should have visited the VT area in Italy, or Eibar in Spain.......or Suhl in Germany.......
  19. Shung

    Shung Well-Known Member

    yes... I could and I can.
  20. mljdeckard

    mljdeckard Well-Known Member

    Exactly. There's no need to strictly regulate silencers when the guns they go on are already so strictly regulated most people won't bother getting them at all.

    I did know a guy in Denmark who has a 10/22 with a suppressed barrel. I asked him if it was hard to get with the can, he said that there were no laws regulating suppressors, just strict laws about guns in general. He paid many thousands of dollars a year to keep a handful of rifles and reloading gear. Also, he has to number his arrows. If you bowhunt there, and you have a non-fatal hit, and your arrow is found later, you will be prosecuted.
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