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Gunbroker Snipers?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Radjxf, Nov 7, 2008.

  1. Radjxf

    Radjxf Well-Known Member

    OK, before I give up on Gunbroker altogether, do users have some sort of "sniper application" they run to beat out my bids by $1 at the last second?
    I've lost at least 4 auctions on guns that (gasp!) were actually priced right on GB due to sniping at the last second. We're talking auctions that ended at midnight, etc.
    I know sniper software use is rampant on Ebay, but curious if it exists for GB as well?
  2. 98C5

    98C5 Well-Known Member

    Could be shill bidding. If they are shill bidding, that item will be back up within 24 hours.
  3. R.W.Dale

    R.W.Dale Well-Known Member

    This doesn't sound right because you cannot "snipe" on gunbroker due to the 15 minute rule they employ.
  4. distra

    distra Well-Known Member

    Yep, 15 minute rule keeps this from happening. You have to sit and watch the auction and cannot just expect your bid to win. The 15 minute rule will give you a chance to bid higher. I can say I've never been sniped on GB, unlike Ebay.
  5. ridata

    ridata Well-Known Member

    I like ebay because I can snipe auctions, and get the lowest price. Gunbroker doesn't allow that. The person willing to pay the maximum gets it.
  6. ants

    ants Well-Known Member

    Like the others above, the first thing that came to mind upon reading the thread title was the 15-Minute Rule.

    You gotta do your job and watch the bidding, my friend.
  7. deadin

    deadin Well-Known Member

    There are several ways to fight "snipers".
    One is to bid only on auctions that have the "15 minute rule" in force.
    Another is to simply bid what you are willing to pay and not be upset if someone else is willing to pay more.
    If you want revenge, bid what you are willing to pay (or think it's worth) and then add 10%. Then if you are beat out, you will have the satisfaction of knowing the other guy got screwed.:p

    Finally, become a sniper yourself.
  8. R.W.Dale

    R.W.Dale Well-Known Member

    as an e-bay seller I firmly believe that snipers should be treated as the partisans they are and be summarily shot on site.

    I don't understand why e-bay doesn't have a 15 minute rule, It would make them MORE mony in final value fees and paypal fees
  9. jackstinson

    jackstinson Well-Known Member

    I don't see how sniping is possible on gunbroker.com. Unless; there was a buy-now price on the auction and someone used it while you were waiting? I've done that a couple of times on guns where the buy-now price was good for me. Here is gunbroker.com's policy to prevent sniping:
  10. Eightball

    Eightball Well-Known Member

    Given their 15 minute rule, the only way I can see "sniping" happening on Gunbroker is as jackstinson suggested with the BIN option.
  11. deadin

    deadin Well-Known Member

    I just went out and read the GB "Buy It Now" description......

    Would someone explain to me how a "non-Reserve" auction would ever exceed the Buy-It-Now price? It says that "Most other auctions sites disable the BIN once a bid has been placed. GB lets theirs continue.
    If there is a BIN price in force, wouldn't the auction automatically end as soon as someone hit it?:confused::confused:
  12. Hawk

    Hawk Well-Known Member

    No such thing as snipers per se on Gunbroker.

    Although, as you've noted, some auctions end at midnight and it can be a pain to monitor. The solution is to bid what you're willing to pay and let "AutoBid" act like a schoolyard bully and slap anyone that comes in to snag the article.

    Obviously, if you were beat by $1 and are complaining, you were willing to pay $2 more than your max bid which means it wasn't really your max bid. The winning bidder will only win by the minimum required to beat #2.

    Entering a maximum bid that really is your maximum bid will have Gunbroker's AutoBid duplicating the functionality of separate sniper software and it's free. It will only bid enough to beat your competition up till the maximum you've authorized - just like most standalone sniper software except for the "waiting to the bitter end" part which doesn't work on Gunbroker anyway.
  13. ridata

    ridata Well-Known Member

    deadin: I think the reserve price is different than the BIN price.
    I'll give an example. I was looking at an AR on GB this morning. The starting bid was $0, the reserve was $1300 something and the BIN was $1500.
    If I placed a bid for $1, the BIN would be there. If I placed a bid for $1301, the BIN would be gone. On ebay the BIN would be gone as soon as I bid that $1.
  14. deadin

    deadin Well-Known Member

    The way I read their definition the BIN only disappears on a Reserve type auction if and when the reserve is met. On a non-reserve type the BIN will disappear when the BIN has been exceeded. This doesn't make sense. How can the BIN price be "exceeded" if it is still active? If the BIN is met, shouldn't the item be considered sold? Or are they treating the BIN as a starting bid and letting the auction continue on. That's just the same as disabling the BIN once there is any kind of bid.
    I know I would be pretty hacked if I bid $110 on an auction that had an active $100 BIN and didn't win because someone else bid exactly $100 and got it because of the BIN rules.
    I think the way the rules are written leaves a lot to be desired.
  15. Rmart30

    Rmart30 Well-Known Member

    I agree with that completely...... If you find something youd pay $10 for but only bid $1 on it then someone bids $2 in the last few minutes you have no one to blame but yourself for bidding low and not winning it.
    Ebay has whats called Proxy bidding and its not automatically taken to your highest bid unless you are bid against...... ie: if you bid $10 on something with a opening bid of $1 it stays at $1 unless someone bids $2, then it automatically raises your bid to $3 and so on.

    I got a nasty message from someone on Ebay a cpl of years ago on a boat I won. I bid $1 more than him 5 minutes before it ended and won it.
    He said he woulda bid $500 more if he knew I coulda done that. I politely told him well ya shoulda done that to start with. :neener:
  16. mgregg85

    mgregg85 Well-Known Member

    Doesn't gunbroker have proxy bidding?
  17. dogtown tom

    dogtown tom Well-Known Member

    I've never understood those who complain about "sniping".:confused:

    Auctions (with or without 15 min rule) go to the HIGHEST bidder. Period.
    Sniping only means you successfully outbid everyone else with little time remaining for others to counter. Don't want to get sniped? BID BIG !!!!

    Example: I bid on a handgun at an online auction. I estimated the value of the gun at about $350. The five day auction had a penny start with no reserve. I was the first bidder and bid my max----$350.

    Day one- gun was mine! As long as no one else bid it was mine for .01 !!!:D

    On day two, some clown tried to steal my gun- he bid, no kidding- $5.00 I got an automatic email telling me that my autobid was now $5.00
    For the next fifteen minutes this Einstein kept bidding the minimum increment. :banghead:He stopped when the bid went to around $100. Cheaper than playing a slot machine I guess.:D

    Day three- no bids, I'm feeling real good. This bargain baby is mine!

    Day four- Two other bidders made one bid each. My autobid bumped to about $240.:cuss:

    Day five- no more bidding until about five minutes before the auction- but what a frenzy! In the last three minutes there were about six bids by the two guys from day four. Each time they only bid by the minimum increment.:banghead::banghead::banghead:

    I won with a final price of about $290. I was happy.

    This is just an example of human behavior in auctions. Some would like to think they will pay less if they try to snipe at the end. Never. The winner in a "no reserve" auction will ALWAYS be the highest bidder. Whether you place that bid day one or in the last thirty seconds you cannot change that fact.

    It is however WAAAAY more fun to bid at the last minute to see if you can win it with just a dollar more than the last bid. This is the same thrill that you get from gambling, because that's what you're doing. You're gambling that no one will outbid you in that last six seconds.

    That's the thrill of auctions. The winning. Because no one ever overpays in an auction.:rolleyes:
  18. knockonit

    knockonit Well-Known Member


    i think all the auction sites have shill bidders, I frequent several and buy a few here and there, its funny when I track a specific item and find that it goes up for sale weeks later with the same vendor, also you can if you pay attention watch those that shill for vendors, take some doing but you can eventuallysee the pattern.
    oh well, just have to pay attention to what you buy.
    good luck
  19. deadin

    deadin Well-Known Member

    I always bid in the last 15 seconds or so. And then I bid what I'm willing to pay. Why should I tip my hand early and give all of the "nibblers" time to piddle around trying to find my top offer? You would be suprised just how many time I win for a lot less than my bid.
    I personally don't care for the "15 minute rule" because I don't feel like sitting around watching the nibblers. On that type of auction I will bid my max and walk away. If somebody wants it more than I do...fine. At least I know that they will have to pay a reasonable price for it. (Or, if there's two or three of them, they may end up paying a lot more than it's worth but have the satisfaction of winning at any cost.:evil:)
  20. Rubble

    Rubble Member

    I sometimes sell things on Gunbroker. If you find that happening it needs to be reported. Gunbroker can search the server logs and find out who is doing it. Most likely it would be the person your buying from because the 15 min. rule cuts out the sniper.

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