Guns,Ammo Sales Skyrocket in New Orleans

[Treo]

So you can have cheap gas, coffee and bananas in Colorado.

And good shrimp.

Largely, they live where they do because YOU like to eat seafood or buy petroleum products.

So people choose to live in NO out of an altruistic desire to serve their fellow man, not buying it.

I got my info yesterday on a nationally televised newcast with Ray Nagin the principle speaker. No one will be allowedto remain in their home

There ya have it. as long as that man was in office and as long as the N.O.P.D was as corrupt as they are there's no incentive in this world that could get me to live in that city.

To bring this back on topic , what do those of you who live in N.O. plan to do W/ your guns when they force you to evacuate?

 

[JWarren]

The comments of "why live in a certain place?" are asinine.

When I was living in FL, half the state was on fire, and the whole state was experiencing a major drought. Every year, it seems, CA and other parts of the West are burning to the ground. Other places have other problems.

My family has been in this area since before 1800. Some do not understand heritage or roots, and I can empathize with that. But others of us are deeply connected to our homes and our heritage. Some of us have our financial futures tied to long-standing family businesses. It's not quite so simple as just packing up and leaving.


-- John

 

[Zip7]

So people choose to live in NO out of an altruistic desire to serve their fellow man, not buying it.

Smart guy - they live there because there is an economic incentive to serve their fellow man. They don't give seafood and petroleum products away...

 

[davidjblythe]

Do any of you think there will be another 'gun grab' after the hurricane hits? If I recall correctly, the mayor did say that even though it was illegal, he would do it again.

 

[Zip7]

They haven't mentioned anything about guns on the news.

I'm sure they do NOT want armed thugs and/or mall ninjas roaming the streets after the storm - I don't either.

My guns won't be grabbed, as they will be packed away for the most part, and there won't be any door to door evacuations after the fact here.

They did mention that anyone caught looting will be hauled immediately to Angola, and believe me the potential looters know what Angola is, and they do NOT want to go there.

 

[yokel]

When he's da mayor, all bets are off...

 

[Treo]

Do any of you think there will be another 'gun grab' after the hurricane hits?

Given the anti gun reputation of the N.O.P.D I'd bet on it. But I keep hearing that evacuations are mandatory so , in theory there shouldn't be anyone there.

 

[Wild Deuce]

I did read somewhere earlier in a news report (might even have been quoting the mayor) concerning mandatory evacuations that if you are on your own property, they will not touch you. If you are not, you are subject to arrest. If that is true, somebody might have taken the time to educate "those in charge" about the Constitution since the last hurricane ... stuff like property rights, civil rights, personal repsonsibility (consequences of staying/leaving), etc.

I'll look for the link.

 

[alligator94]

I thought a mandatory evacuation just meant you were on your own? Does it mean that they can physically remove you against your will?

 

[Happiness Is A Warm Gun]

I thought a mandatory evacuation just meant you were on your own? Does it mean that they can physically remove you against your will?

On the news they were talking how strict the the evacuation order is
1) anyone remaining behind will have no access to emergency services. Don't call police, fire, ambulance there will not be anyone.
2) any personal property can be apropriated to assist in the evacuation.
3) anyone on the streets can be detained at will on the suspicion of looting. they will be detained w/o bond until the emergency is over.

So likely they won't go door to door looking for you (simply because they don't have the manpower) but you will truly be on your own. Even leaving your house could result in your detention until the storm is over.

If it were me I would leave and I have rode out multiple hurricaines in VA and NC. Sometimes discretion is the better part of valor.

 

[Devonai]

Another large number of people fail to plan ahead for entirely predictable risks. Anyone who did wouldn't have reason to buy more guns or ammo a day before the hurricane hits. I'll bet most THR members wouldn't have any need to do so.

I don't shoot my 870 that often, but I like to keep 100 rounds of buckshot and 50 rounds of slugs on hand for defensive purposes. I don't see any problem in going to the store to stock up on more ammo if there's trouble ahead. I think this criticism is best reserved for those that never set foot in the store in the first place.

 

[crotalus01]

So I assume they are going to declare Martial Law? That i the only condition I am aware of in which a US Citizen can legally be detained for no reason...

 

[TexasRifleman]

That i the only condition I am aware of in which a US Citizen can legally be detained for no reason...

It's not for "no reason", it's for violation of the curfew city ordinance.

Curfews have been held to be legal for short term stuff like this, so it's the law. Break the law...get arrested and get charged with at least, I'm guessing, a misdemeanor for violation of the curfew. Doubt it's a felony but who knows.

 

[insidious_calm]

Unless the state laws have changed since Katrina then the Mayor (Nagin) doesn't have the authority to declare martial law as that power is reserved to the governor only. Someone should really be talking to these JBTs too, I suspect things are likely to be drastically different from the free reign of abuse they had last time. Door kickers and gun stealers will likely be KOS. Pratice your jack boot thuggery at your own peril. A wave of new laws were passed nationwide in response to what took place in NOLA after Katrina. I guess we'll see just how serious the politicians were about it now. My advice to those in official capacity in NOLA: Tread lightly, the citizenry camel is struggling, one more straw just might be the one.

I do hope that the majority of those there will evacuate. I have no doubt though there will be some who are indeed prepared and capable of weathering this storm in place. I respect that it is their right to do so and to do so unmolested by corrupt NOLA police or out of town JBTs from Kali. I am also sure that there will be those who try to do it unprepared or who are not as prepared as they thought they were. Likewise, I respect their right to suffer the consequences of their decision unmolested. This is really not a hard concept to grasp. Let's hope the Naganites can figure it out.


I.C.

 

[elrod]

Like in Katrina, it may be worth mentioning that this thing is going to hit a lot more than New Orleans.

Yes it is, but unfortunately the people of New Orleans haven't grown up and learned to handle adversity near as well as the self-sufficent peoples in the path of the storm. There was a mention on the TV news of evacuating the people living in FEMA trailers before the storm arrived. FEMA trailers? Three years later?
I only hope Jindal forces Nagan to put on his big-boy drawers this time around and do the right things. Such as forcing government-dependant peoples to evacuate and allowing those capable of taking care of themselves to do so, by whatever legal means they choose.

 

[ants]

Will they confiscate guns again...

I certainly hope not, but in New Orleans the mayor issued a statement today:

The mayor Sunday pleaded with the last of its residents to get out, imposed a dusk-to-dawn curfew on those who stay and warned looters they will be sent directly to prison.

To send violators directly to prison without trial implies suspension of Due Process. Of course, this bravado statement could be in the spririt of trying to instill fear into looters and thugs. But I'm bothered by the suspension of due process, guaranteed by the Bill of Rights, by a city official who violated the 2nd Amendment in the Bill of Rights after the last hurricane.

 

[JWarren]

ants,

Nagin says a lot of things. He either is not concerned with the implications of what he says or he is simply too ignorant to realize it.

Oh, he may well try it. And the results won't be pretty.

My point is that this isn't the first time he makes it up as he goes.


-- John

 

[22-rimfire]

Nagin is an idiot. I guess the people of NO got what they deserve (or at least the majority).

I understand that mandatory evacuations mean you are supposed to leave. IF you stay and are out on the street, I suspect you will be disrespected by the police. Carrying a firearm is probably out of the question. They also saying "you're on your own if you stay." No police, no access to medical care and possibly no utilities if they go out.

 

[TexasRifleman]

I understand that mandatory evacuations mean you are supposed to leave.

The legal guys on Fox explained it that you could stay only if you stayed on your own property and you agreed by your staying that you would have no access to public services like police and fire. If you are outside your private property you are subject to arrest for violating the curfew ordinance.

What Nagin says isn't as important as what actually happens over the next few days. He clearly has diarrhea of the mouth.

 

[feedthehogs]

The mayor has shown no concern for the constitution and law in the past, why should he start now.

You can bet that there will still be looting and that the Gov't and FEMA will be blamed somehow for leaving people behind.

After all the sheep always look to the shepard for protection.

 

[jkingrph]

Nagin cannot send anyone directly to Angola or any other prison. He is a mayor not a judge. Looters may be detained until arraigned and charged, and possibly held over for trial.. That said there may be some recent agreement whereby looters can be sent there until due process can start. Do a few and once word gets out looting will be less. Again, he is mayor and cannot as such sentence anyone under any circumstances to jail or fines.

 

[txgho1911]

Several choices for local streaming news.
http://www.nolaradio.com/

Several roads like the causeway are being shut down and sandbagged as they are weak points in the levy system.

 

[akodo]

Anyone who did wouldn't have reason to buy more guns or ammo a day before the hurricane hits. I'll bet most THR members wouldn't have any need to do so.

I can definately imagine someone looking at the single shotgun they have and the box and a 1/2 of shells and thinking...a handgun wouldn't be bad. Or the guy pulling the snubbie out of his sock drawer with 3/4 box full thinking...this looks pretty small.

I can also imagine the guy with an SKS, 2 glock 19s, and an 870 express thinking "too much ammo is much better than not enough...I should go pick up some more batteries, fill the tank, and swing by the gunstore to flesh out my stash"

 

[TexasRifleman]

Nagin cannot send anyone directly to Angola or any other prison. He is a mayor not a judge. Looters may be detained until arraigned and charged, and possibly held over for trial.. That said there may be some recent agreement whereby looters can be sent there until due process can start

I'm watching a video stream from the New Orleans Fox station and it appears that's exactly what is in place; temporary holding at Angola prison since the NO jail is closed.

 

[akodo]

Nagin cannot send anyone directly to Angola or any other prison. He is a mayor not a judge. Looters may be detained until arraigned and charged, and possibly held over for trial.

it is quite possible that all people arrested and waiting arraingment or trial will be held in Angola rather than the local police jail cells (which may fill with water)