Guns captured on the way to Mexico (video)
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Titan6
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"95% of guns.... originate in the US...." Sure would like to know the source for that one.
AK rifles, S&B ammo.... originating in the US... hmmm oddly painted hand grenades mounted on a stencil board... I smell a rat... a real big rat....
AK rifles, S&B ammo.... originating in the US... hmmm oddly painted hand grenades mounted on a stencil board... I smell a rat... a real big rat....
shooter429
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Wait, American citizens have been screaming to have the border shut down due to the millions of violent illegals coming in hear raping, robbing, Killing, plundering etc. And now that they find illegals doing something shocking-breaking laws, it is somehow our fault.
Mexico has publicly endorced the run by these illegals and even given them armed escorts across the border. Now they are going to send police and military-the same ones who ARE the cartels to stop the violence? Please!
Why is it that nobody seems to understand the meaning of illegal? And close it.
Why not take every one of those seized guns and use them to stop the incursions. Build a wall, paint a deadline, send up drones. end of problem.
Remember the Alamo.
Shooter429
Mexico has publicly endorced the run by these illegals and even given them armed escorts across the border. Now they are going to send police and military-the same ones who ARE the cartels to stop the violence? Please!
Why is it that nobody seems to understand the meaning of illegal? And close it.
Why not take every one of those seized guns and use them to stop the incursions. Build a wall, paint a deadline, send up drones. end of problem.
Remember the Alamo.
Shooter429
There's been a couple of studies over the past 4yrs regarding the smuggling of weapons from the US to Mexico. The last one I read was a report from the FBI early last year. The stated the biggest problem is the straw purchases all along the border. I think that's where they got the data.
I don't think there's enough evidence to support the claim mainly becaue the cartels can get guns for anywhere and in vloumes much bigger than the one I saw on the link.
I don't think there's enough evidence to support the claim mainly becaue the cartels can get guns for anywhere and in vloumes much bigger than the one I saw on the link.
BrandonBowers
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Wow, much as I hate to say. Nice work by the ATF.
Those grenades were never legal.
Second observation, Mexicans are obsessed with a .224 pistol round (5.7x28) ... dumb.
Those grenades were never legal.
Second observation, Mexicans are obsessed with a .224 pistol round (5.7x28) ... dumb.
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nwilliams
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Well now that it's all in the hands of the ATF I imagine it's off to the crushers and melters
every body like the news caster has pinned down her hopes on the new administration...dont know what they are thinking...Obama is not coming up with a magic wand. last year also Bush had initiated a talk between Attorney General's of both the countries. dont think much has been achieved through these talks
Ohio Gun Guy
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I'm not a pot head, dont want my kids doing it, but lets stop pumping millions to Mexico for pot. legalize it...... Or make some method for obtaining it, SOMETHING. This would stop much of the money flowing South that pays for the drug cartels.
In the history of man, has there been any Prohibition that has worked? Name 1 thing that once banned is unobtainable.
We need to realize that people will hurt themselves if they are so inclined. What we need to stop, is making really bad people have a lot of cash as the result of it.
In the history of man, has there been any Prohibition that has worked? Name 1 thing that once banned is unobtainable.
We need to realize that people will hurt themselves if they are so inclined. What we need to stop, is making really bad people have a lot of cash as the result of it.
A man with a gun!
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Those Mexican cartels are not big into pot anymore. Domestic production has for the most part put an end to that. The seventies are long over. Legalizing pot isn't going to make the cartels go away.
These days their real money is in the distribution of cocaine, meth. (along with it's precurser chemicals) and black tar heroin.
These days their real money is in the distribution of cocaine, meth. (along with it's precurser chemicals) and black tar heroin.
Prohibition isn't about banning anything. It's about making money. Billions into the "drug war" that end up in the hands of defense contractors. Billions in spiked profits that end up in the hands of the Banks via money laundering. Billions into the hands of the prison industry which ends up with slave labor.
I would say the prohibition on drugs has been VERY successful.
If there is ever a prohibition on guns we can expect similar results.
The_Shootist
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Hmmm
I hear what Ohio Gun Guy says and I'm kinda inclined to go along. I don't agree with legalizing drugs to the point where ya can buy cocain or heroin at your 7-11. But it seems like the Europeans have pretty liberal laws on pot and they aren't exactly getting into car accidents en masse.
One lady from from Holland I correspond with online regularly filled me in on some of the laxer drug laws over there. Her biggest beefs were 1) The Gov't banned magic mushrooms after there was some bad press about some British tourists trying to see if they could fly out of a 4th story hotel room after consuming them 2) You can smoke pot in some of the cafe's in Amsterdam but they threw her out of one for lighting a cigarrete.
I favour keeping the restrictions on harder stuff like coke/smack/tina, but I less in favour of seeing a good chunk of pot sales go south to fund some drug cartels retirement plan.
I hear what Ohio Gun Guy says and I'm kinda inclined to go along. I don't agree with legalizing drugs to the point where ya can buy cocain or heroin at your 7-11. But it seems like the Europeans have pretty liberal laws on pot and they aren't exactly getting into car accidents en masse.
One lady from from Holland I correspond with online regularly filled me in on some of the laxer drug laws over there. Her biggest beefs were 1) The Gov't banned magic mushrooms after there was some bad press about some British tourists trying to see if they could fly out of a 4th story hotel room after consuming them 2) You can smoke pot in some of the cafe's in Amsterdam but they threw her out of one for lighting a cigarrete.
I favour keeping the restrictions on harder stuff like coke/smack/tina, but I less in favour of seeing a good chunk of pot sales go south to fund some drug cartels retirement plan.
Hizballah Assad Mohamed Barakat is the current cell leader of the TBA (Tri Border Area) that includes Argentina, Venezuela, an Brazil is a major player in the trans shipment of narcotics from overseas to South America and has been since 1992. So not everything comes from Columbia.
Source: "Terrorist and Organized Crime Groups in the Tri-Border Area of South America" Library of Congress Federal Research Division, July 2003.
bl4ckd0g
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The 5.7x28 would fall into the cartridges permissible for importation into Mexico assuming that it isn't a widely militarized cartridge like the 5.56 NATO. Most gringos I've met usually go in with a .38 special and hide it.
Probably don't need much firepower if you're going to sneak up on a drug mule and shoot them in the ear or nape of the neck after they've ****ed up a shipment.
Probably don't need much firepower if you're going to sneak up on a drug mule and shoot them in the ear or nape of the neck after they've ****ed up a shipment.
lanternlad1
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Legalize drugs, and there goes the economic incentive for the crime.
The real criminals here are our politicians who could end all this with the stroke of a pen, but won't.
The real criminals here are our politicians who could end all this with the stroke of a pen, but won't.
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Mexicans are also obsessed with the .38super
That's because .38 super is the most powerful caliber one can legally have in Mexico without being in deep doo-doo.
That's because .38 super is the most powerful caliber one can legally have in Mexico without being in deep doo-doo.
yes absolutely. Are prohibitions ever successful in removing ALL of whatever they are prohibiting? no.
We prohibit slavery, selling of organs, murder, and rape on a state and national level.
We prohibit nukes, biological, and chemical weapons on an international level.
The prohibition of unregistered machineguns is pretty effective actually. I disagree with it but I don't break it.
Many countries have successfully prohibited pornography, alcholol, exposed female body parts, etc.
In none of these cases are these prohibitions ultimately perfectly successful...but you don't see many women flashing a 'whale tail' in Saudi Arabia.
What do the successful prohibitions have in common? Serious enforcment who target ALL involved, and much greater agreement by the society as a whole that said item is 'bad'
For drugs, that means targeting the produces AND distributors AND users...as well as anyone who 'helps' them.
For illegal immigration this would mean targeting those who move illegal immigrants AND targeting illegal immigrants themselves AND targeting the businesses who hire them, be they big or small.
TexasRifleman
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OK so let me get this straight..
Grenades, VERY much illegal in the US and highly controlled, are being bought here and taken to Mexico, where they are VERY much available from corrupt military.
What am I missing here? I don't think I'm gonna believe that
Grenades, VERY much illegal in the US and highly controlled, are being bought here and taken to Mexico, where they are VERY much available from corrupt military.
What am I missing here? I don't think I'm gonna believe that
Travis Bickle
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Yep those drug cartels follow the letter of the law in everything they do.
Mexico has a population of 100 million people. Most of them are not in drug cartels.
Mexico has a population of 100 million people. Most of them are not in drug cartels.
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