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Guns for a young man leaving home...

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by gspn, Dec 22, 2011.

  1. gspn

    gspn Well-Known Member

    Jun 10, 2006
    Lately I've been thinking about a lot of gun "collecting" issues, and after one thought led to another which in turn led to another...I found myself contemplating building a "stock" collection or a basic inventory for my 11 year old son to inherit/grow into as the years go by.

    We hunt and shoot and he has a good bolt action rifle and a .22 caliber Browning target pistol, and will be getting a Sig P232 for his birthday. My process seems a bit hodge-podge though. I started to think that maybe I should have a plan or direction for these purchases. I'm in a spot where I can buy some guns and I thought it might be good to start looking at what he might need in the future.

    In some ways this is a take-off on another thread I read last week about the "top 10 guns everyone should own"...but it's got a different twist.

    Given everything we currently know about the politics of gun control along with the fact that we hunt and target shoot...what inventory would you build for a young man so that he had a well rounded collection that would serve him well when he left your home and went out into the world on his own?
  2. 41

    41 Well-Known Member

    Jul 31, 2010
    I think that a good 12 gauge shotgun would be useful. It can be used to hunt a wide variety of animals, from small game to birds to big game, and it is a good home defense weapon.

    I'm not sure but a 12 gauge might be a bit much recoil for an 11 year old with higher recoiling loads, but he will grow into it in a few years.

    For a pump shotgun I tend to prefer Remington 870's, and for automatics, I love my Benelli super black eagle II, but that might be a bit much money to spend on an 11 year old, depending on your circumstances.

    It is awesome that you are doing this for your son. I'm sure that he will appreciate it.
  3. gspn

    gspn Well-Known Member

    Jun 10, 2006
    I like the 870 idea...it was the first gun I ever had. I bought it myself and I taught myself how to hunt with it. It brings back a lot of great memories. It is truely a versatile gun.

    Plus we reload and it will allow him to deepen his knowledge with regard to loading heavy vs light loads...experience is the best teacher.
  4. danez71

    danez71 Well-Known Member

    Aug 17, 2009

    Id build off off your 22's.

    Forget the Sig P232 and get a 9mm instead. Long term I think its a better choice for a host of reasons.

    Then add:
    (in no particular order)

    Lever action .357/.38

    Blackhawk .357/.38 with the 9mm cylinder.


    Another rifle in something like a min of 30-30, 30-06, .308

    And another semi auto .22lr rifle

    Thats the combo I'm slowing working towards so, of course, thats what I'd recommend.
  5. Plan2Live

    Plan2Live Well-Known Member

    May 17, 2011
    Columbia, SC
    My sons are older and the path I am taking is to cover most or all of the classic platforms.

    .22 bolt action
    .22 autoloader
    .357/.38 revolver, preferably larger frame
    9mm semi-auto pistol with approx. 4" barrel
    Pump action shotgun
    Larger caliber bolt action rifle

    As that collection fills out I might explore the 1911 platform, autoloader shotgun and/or the AK-47 platform. It really depends on their interests as they grow older.
  6. captain awesome

    captain awesome Well-Known Member

    Jul 18, 2009
    Mesa, AZ
    here's my idea of a collection to cover all the bases;

    12 gauge pump or semi auto shotgun

    ccw handgun(I like snub nose air weight revolvers)

    some type of semi automatic defensive rifle, my personal preferences are in 308, most seem to prefer ar15's in 223.

    44mag or larger revolver of some sort

    22 rifle and or handgun

    small caliber varmint hunting rifle, 223, 22-250, 204 Ruger, or something similar.

    30-06 bolt action rifle

    large caliber hunting rifle 375 H&H or larger.

    an optional one would be something along the lines of a 1911(my personal preference:D) or XD, HK USP, or dare I say it Glock:eek: or something similar. Something that could have a large capacity magazine in a moderately powerful semi auto handgun cartridge.

    In My opinion that would be ideal. There is not a whole lot you couldn't accomplish with that menagerie of firearms, and your son would be ecstatic to receive a collection like that when he goes out into the world.
  7. Ragnar Danneskjold

    Ragnar Danneskjold Well-Known Member

    Feb 1, 2007
    Arlington, Republic of Texas
    I would personally say, a pump shotgun (either an 870 or 500), some form of semi-auto pistol with a 4" barrel, and an AR-15. Not only can those cover the bases for all three main kinds of gun, but they also can give him useful skills on three kinds of guns he would use if he ever chose a profession that needed them. If be some chance he decides to join the military or become a cop, he will have a serious advantage over most others if he is familiar with those 3 weapons. And if not, they are still great guns in their own right.

    Shooting isn't just fun, it can also be part of one's job. And for an 11 year old, who knows what the state of the world will be for him in 15+ years. Being familiar with the three main gun styles in use in the US might be a good skill. Revolvers and lever actions may be a ton of fun. But if one is ever forced to pick up and use a gun that is not their own, or have to learn one for a job, chances are it will be a full size semi auto pistol and an AR-15.
  8. Nushif

    Nushif Well-Known Member

    Mar 21, 2010
    Corvallis, OR
    From my experience when leaving home ... Something cheap, useful, small and reliable.

    A reliable 9mm with a .22 conversion would have been ideal for me.
  9. Olevern

    Olevern Active Member

    Sep 22, 2009
    Something you don't mind losing when the rent or gas bill needs to be paid.
  10. X-Rap

    X-Rap Well-Known Member

    Sep 23, 2006
    Olevern hit it on the head right there, when my son left between me and his grandpa we sent him with the following,
    870 3" 12 ga.
    77 Ruger in 250 Savage
    45-70 Guide gun
    30-06 760 Rem
    He had an AR that he bought and brought home ASAP when I informed him he was commiting a felony by having it at his home. (NYS) I bought it from him for more than it was worth because he needed money.
    Of those, 3 didn't come home with him and I am sure they fell to the needs of his young family and their poor managment of money.
    I have since given him an AR, G22, and a Sub 2000 of which the 2000 is sold as well. It breaks my heart because while I have sold and traded many guns I never let myself get to the point that they were an asset that I would sell because of the need for cash.
    I have decided when that one feels the need for another gun I will let him buy it for himself and try out my other two.
  11. oneounceload

    oneounceload member

    Apr 24, 2008
    Hot and Humid FL
    Since you said targets, I will also include targets in the choice of a shotgun - and unlike everyone else here who thinks a shotgun is only good for zombie protection, I would go for a nice O/U for targets and bird hunting - simpler, easier to use, easier to be successful with.
    One caveat - don't go for cheap, go for quality. Quality only costs once when you buy it
  12. RetroMan

    RetroMan Well-Known Member

    Apr 6, 2011
    Granite State
    If he must have a 9mm, then let it be a Browning Hi-Power.

    Motion for a Rem870 seconded.

    Best wishes, he's lucky boy.
  13. JEB

    JEB Well-Known Member

    Aug 10, 2009
    Douds, IA
    dang fine advice right there!! i have several guns from when i was younger that i bought simply because i had enough money when i found them. now they arent worth selling and are just taking up space. recently, now that i have only purchased well thought out, quality guns, i am much more happy with my collection and enjoy them MUCH more.
  14. DoubleTapDrew

    DoubleTapDrew Well-Known Member

    Feb 23, 2006
    On that note, I'd probably start with the black rifles. We'll fight tooth and nail against any other bans but those will likely be the first to get regulated if things get ugly. I'd say a good quality AR-15 with 10 or more mags, and a 308 battle rifle with 10 or more mags. Maybe an AK pattern rifle with a good supply of mags too if you like those. After that you can start on the hunting rifles and handguns.
  15. Mike OTDP

    Mike OTDP Well-Known Member

    Oct 31, 2007
    Somewhere in Maryland
    I'd wait. Find out what he wants to shoot. No sense spending money on ARs when the kid turns out to be an Olympic-class pistol shooter.
  16. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    Dec 24, 2002
    Idahohoho, the jolliest state
    Good for you! You'll hear that and thanks from your lad when he's older, and he'll be glad of it all his life and do likewise for his children.

    You're setting a fine example, gspn.
  17. bushmaster1313

    bushmaster1313 Well-Known Member

    Oct 26, 2008
    Peoples Republik of New Jersey
    Buy the guns that YOU enjoy.
    You can enjoy them now and when he is ready he can keep them or trade them for something he likes better.
  18. wannabeagunsmith

    wannabeagunsmith Well-Known Member

    Sep 21, 2011
    Man, your son is darn lucky. My dad hates the idea of me having a gun at all, and says that if I want one I will have to buy it myself....sigh, your son will thank you someday....
  19. kayak-man

    kayak-man Well-Known Member

    Nov 2, 2009
    PAC-NW but I'm playing on the beach in Florida for
    Let him earn them.

    As someone in his early 20's who is trying to get to the point where he can stand on his own two feet, I know that I value my time, firearms, and money a lot more since I've had to work for all of it.
    Also, it leaves him free to get the one that he wants, the way he wants it. I have 3 guns that my dad gave me: A .22 bolt action rifle, a S&W 642, and half of a Remington 870. I love all three of those guns, and I will NEVER sell them, but they are still not my ideal firearms. The changes that I would make to them are pretty small (.357 instead of .38, a rear sight on the rifle.) and not big enough to justify buying another gun, but too big to justify changing the gun itself.

    I support the 870 idea - its awesome, and as close to a "do everything" gun you can get. He can use it for hunting, sport, and defense when he's older.

    I'd think about investing in guns that he can use now, and later. Guns that he wouldn't necessarily buy on his own, but that he should have. Another option here is the Ruger 10/22. I'm not the biggest fan of the rifle, but as he gets older, he can turn it into anything he wants it to be, and he may appreciate having a rifle suitable for plinking when ammo starts to cost a lot, or if he gets onto THR, and decides he wants to try one of those "Appleseed Events" that everyone is talking about.

    I think that in the end, what will be more valuable, are the skills you teach him, and the memories you make. I love those 2.5 guns my dad gave me, and I loved learning to shoot with him, but since he was never a gun-nut, I learned gun safety really well, but shooting technique was limited to "Put the front sight in that notch before you pull the trigger." If you teach him how to shoot well, you'll be giving him something that he will always have: skills, and fond memories.

    Hope this helps,

    Chris "the Kayak-Man" Johnson
  20. btg3

    btg3 Well-Known Member

    Oct 30, 2007
    The answer should depend on the shooting opportunities you have and which of those your son gravitates toward.

    As you mention, an 870 along with reloading would certainly top my list.

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