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Guns in the Home

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by ptmmatssc, Apr 25, 2007.

  1. ptmmatssc

    ptmmatssc Active Member

    Sep 23, 2006
    Was looking for some info and ran across a myths vs facts site about guns . For s**ts and giggles i read a little . This is one that I found interesting . It involves the "myth" about having a gun in the home for protection . i read it and then checked the source . What I have in bold , I think , has a lot more to do with people getting shot than the guns do .


    The other thing I noticed was a lack of any stats etc for incidences where a gun was used to protect someone in their home .
  2. jeepmor

    jeepmor Senior Member

    Nov 6, 2005
    Antis are just like politicians, they skew the data to fit their needs and never mention any data or statistics to the contrary. Most of these types of organizations don't want anything to do with the truth, only push their points of view and claim they drew their results from raw data. They have no issue with omitting any conflicting information. Our politicos are the worst offenders of such actions.

    It reminds of pulling out of the marina one day with Dad and being approached by some stats gathering summer hire college student with the ODFW who wanted to tally how many fish we had caught. (for the record, we were not breaking any laws or bag limits) Dad stated, NO, you guys just do whatever the hell you want with the data anyway, so you don't get to add my catch to your study, go bother someone else. Mind you, this college student had no intention of skewing the data, she was simply a pawn on the chessboard, nothing more.

    This data skewing to get the results you want to come about is called cherry picking and is the holy grail of no no's to hardcore objective scientists that have no agenda other than to derive factual information. Let's face it, our politicians, the antis and the media have no interest in providing facts, they only want to bolster their ideologies and ignore any truths that undermine them.
  3. K-Romulus

    K-Romulus Participating Member

    Dec 31, 2003
    Somewhere in Monkey County, MD
    The study never looked at three things:

    1) whether the guns involved were LEGALLY OWNED

    2) whether the gun kept at home WAS THE ACTUAL MURDER WEAPON. John Lott reported that only 8 of the 444 guns were from the home of the victim. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2007/04/20/DI2007042001760.html

    3) if 1 and 2, then whether the owner was trained in proper gun safety (4 rules, storage away from kids, etc.)

    The study's conclusion makes as much sense as "strongly urging people to remove cars from their garages" because many people with suspended drivers' licenses killed people while driving drunk. Duh!
  4. Pilgrim

    Pilgrim Senior Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    Nevada, escaped from the PDRK via Idaho.
    People use trucks and trains to commit suicide and they are readily accessible to those who want to end their lives.

  5. Dr. Dickie

    Dr. Dickie Participating Member

    Apr 19, 2006
    Jacksonville Beach, FL
  6. WolfMansDad

    WolfMansDad Member

    Jul 11, 2006
    Putting aside the issue of legal versus illegal gun ownership, how would you tell which way it went?

    Say there is a correlation between being at risk for homicide and owning a gun. Does owning a gun increase your risk of being murdered, or does your increased risk of being murdered (because you live in a bad part of town, for example) prompt you to buy a gun?

    Why don't people who publish statistics think these things through?
  7. Oohrah

    Oohrah Active Member

    Dec 29, 2006
    So. Coast Oregon
    Hummm, Drug use and domestic problems. I would think any of
    two would restrict ownership to where they probably can not leagally
    own them in most cases. Jeepmor, I often wondered if there would
    be a problem refusing to allow a State hired fish counter to look at
    your catch. I know here there call a State trooper to ticket or arrest
    violaters. Does co-operation if a rule is broken mean self incimmination?
    I know of incident where a car license was run through DMV where the
    owner was also a CCW holder. When stopped the only questions asked
    were firearms related. When the minister tired of it, he asked why he
    was pulled over, and if it were not driving related, have a nice day and
    drove off. No further action taken. Only the officer can give this answer.
    Does law enforcement go outside bounds??? Sometimes. Are these numbers
    inflated or reported in gun crimes? Most likely they are. I think that
    maybe public challenge through the public media, might make the other side
    not be as aggresive to spew incorrect facts. Being called to task for mis-
    information forces the embarrased haters to take a different road.
  8. akodo

    akodo Senior Member

    Aug 31, 2005
    a gun in the home makes it 2.7 times more likely that someone in that home will be involved in firearm voilence, maybe with that gun, maybe with another

    being a renter rther than an owner makes it 4.4 times more likely that someone ihn that home will be involved in firearm voilence, maybe with a gun in the home, maybe with another

    lets give everyone free houses!

    i rent

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