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Guys, honesty is the best policy...time and time again.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by .45FMJoe, Sep 30, 2004.

  1. .45FMJoe

    .45FMJoe Well-Known Member

    Today was my friend's 21st birthday so I was the designated driver. We went to Bennigan's and had dinner and he and everyone else drank. I had one (1) ice cold pint of blue moon beer the entire night and drank diet coke for the remainder of the evening. Well, fast forward to about 20 after 3 in the morning, I finish dropping everyone off and get off of I-275 on the road that my street is off of. This light at the exit ramp and Westshore Blvd. is so long you could grow old and die waiting for. Two minutes after sitting through it, realizing I have to get up at 6:30 for work, I decide to go through the red light. Now, I slowly eased forward and made sure there was not a SINGLE set of headlights in EITHER direction and normally accelerated through the intersection. Not 1/4 mile down the road I notice the cops headlights flying up upon me. Well, I had to turn off on the street to go home anyway so I flipped my blinker on and he flipped his lights on.

    So I placed my truck in park and put my hands at 10 and 2 while facing forward, awaiting further instruction. Here is our convo:

    Him - "Do you know why I pulled you over?"
    Me - "Yes, sir."
    Him - "May I see your driver's license and registration please?"
    Him - "Do you have any weapons in the car?"
    Me - "Yes, sir...and a permit to carry them too."

    At this point I retrieved my license and handed it to him.

    Him - "Where is the weapon?"
    Me - "There are two in my console here along with my permit."
    Him - "Please step out of the vehicle."
    Me - "Yes, sir."

    He pats me down when I hop out, I placed my hands up and out to accomodate him. He then motions and tells me to stand next to the fender of my truck while he secures the weapons.

    Him - "How old are you?"
    Me - "22."
    Him - "Where are you coming from."
    Me - "It was my friend's 21st birthday and I was the designated driver."

    He then retrieves my G 32, Kel-tec .380 and permit. Looks at the .380 and says:

    "What is this?"
    Me - "A .380"
    Him - "Yeah but I mean what is it?"
    Me - "Oh, a Kel-tec."
    Him - "Oh, do you carry it on you sometimes?"
    ME - "Yes, sir...in my pocket."
    Him - "You said you know why I pulled you over, right?"
    Me - "Yes, sir...I ran a red light."

    Him - "They are getting expensive these days, $127. I apprechiate your honesty and c______." (Honestly I can't remember the word he used...I was a little shaken up after being pulled over.)

    He hands me my license, says have a good night and walks away.

    Honesty, honesty, honesty...it's the best thing in the world. I am grateful he was nice to me...I did indeed break the law, and I'm sure he just wanted to make sure I wasn't drunk or anything. I have rarely ever been pulled over and not once in over 2 years (i.e. since getting my permit) and I have always wondered what would happen if I got pulled over. Well, I found out tonight. Ironically, 3 days ago I made a decision in my life that I was never again going to get drunk. I am swearing off the liquor that used to be a common occurance with me. I have driven home from the local bar not necessarily drunk but not in top shape, either. I find it ironic that I was never pulled over during those years (I used to drink under-aged all the time) and I'm grateful that at 17 days before 23rd birthday, I have matured enough in my life to make better decisions. While runnign a red light may not have been a great decision, not drinking more than one beer and being cool, collected, honest and courteous to the officer while trying to make him feel more comfortable doing his job were all good decisions in my estimation.

    No real point to my story, just still a little rattled at being pulled voer and I needed to vent.
  2. 4570Rick

    4570Rick Well-Known Member

    Good for you. Now, pull your shorts outa yer butt and relax. :D
  3. swingset

    swingset Well-Known Member

    That's probably it.
  4. Browns Fan

    Browns Fan Well-Known Member

    "Guys, honesty is the best policy"

    Roger that. I have a govt job that requires a security clearance and I told them everything about getting fired from some other job I had. This other guy lied about his financial situation on his investigation and subseqentially lost his clearance and his job.
  5. FPrice

    FPrice Well-Known Member


    "No real point to my story, just still a little rattled at being pulled voer and I needed to vent."

    There probably is a point to your story. You were pulled over. You didn't get belligerent with the officer. You were straightforward, didn't try to BS him or challenge him. The officer probably appreciated that, AND was able to tell that you weren't drunk (probably a major problem at that time of the day) and he let you go. As he should have.
  6. El Tejon

    El Tejon Well-Known Member

  7. .45FMJoe

    .45FMJoe Well-Known Member

    Yup, candor! You got it!
  8. FJC

    FJC Well-Known Member


    n 1: ability to make judgments free from discrimination or dishonesty [syn: fairness, fair-mindedness, candour] [ant: unfairness] 2: the quality of being honest and straightforward in attitude and speech [syn: candour, candidness, frankness, forthrightness]

    Certainly seems to apply to your behavior. Glad to hear it worked out well, and thanks to you and your friends for following the "designated driver" plan.
  9. genie

    genie Well-Known Member

    huh, from the thread title, i thought this was gonna be about getting caught by the wife when trying to sneak a new gun into the house!

    glad all went well for you.
  10. glocksman

    glocksman Well-Known Member

    Back when I was young and dumb, being honest with the state trooper got my speeding in a 45 zone written up as my average speed of 79 instead of the 115+ top speed.

    When he asked me if I knew how fast I was going, I stuttered out 'My speedometer doesn't go that high' ('75 Caprice, 454 V8, speedometer only went to 100 mph). He laughed and then said I was doing 115 and accelerating when he flipped on his lights.

    I think he went easy on me because I made him laugh. The 79 was a ticket. The 115 was potential reckless driving and a trip to jail.
  11. Black Dragon

    Black Dragon Well-Known Member

    Had a similar run in with the long arm of the law. I was doing 15 over in a 40MPH. Told him that I was late for work I understood that I was 15 over. Had handed him my permit before we even started to talk.
    He thanked me asked me to slow down and off I went to work (20 minutes
    late) BUT without a ticket.:)
  12. juggler

    juggler Well-Known Member

    Since I expect courtesy and respect, I tend to treat others the same way. I admire your actions and viewpoint, and it sounds like you have your act together.
    On the other hand, I've also found it better to be polite to the people who can make your life easier/harder, whether it is a cop or a waitress. :D
  13. Wildalaska

    Wildalaska member

    I cant beleive you gave up your gun! Why did you even tell him! The JBTs of local law enforcement could have gunned down your entire family while you were disarmed.

    You should have kept your mouth shut, refused to ID yourself, if he found out you had a permit and questioned you about the guns you should have told him directly that you are a free citizen, that your carrying a gun is a right guaranteed by the second amendment and that if he touched you it would be an assault on you that you could respond to by gunning him down like the thug he is!

    Why did you even let him pat you down! What a sheeple!


  14. FPrice

    FPrice Well-Known Member



    Unfortunately irony is wasted on some of our more rabid members.
  15. Battlespace

    Battlespace Well-Known Member

    .45FMJoe - you go to the head of the class. Honesty is always the best policy.

    I too used to do some mighty stupid things like driving drunk, not just intoxicated, but flat out drunk. by the grace of God I never killed or injured anyone.
  16. Jarhed

    Jarhed Member

    Yes sir and no sir goes a long way with cops. My Marine emblem on the window seems to help. Of course if its a chick cop, youre screwed EVERY time. All of my tickets were written by chick cops, both of them had this attitude like maybe I looked a lot like their last boyfriend that dumped her.
  17. LoneStranger

    LoneStranger Well-Known Member

    Irony, I don't like Irony so I always by permanent press clothes so I don't have to Irony!:D
  18. Gordon Fink

    Gordon Fink Well-Known Member

    I am curious why the patrolman went right to the weapons question, but Joe may have presented a condensed version of the interview. The pat down also seems a bit unnecessary after Joe volunteered the location of his weapons. All’s well that ends well, though.

    ~G. Fink
  19. SMLE

    SMLE Well-Known Member


    Not in my experience. The last time I got pulled over, it was for a broken head light on my Dad's PU. The Deputy Sheriff was female. I handed her my DL which is in a flip case with my CHL and said; "You probably want to see both of these and yes I am..." She looked at my DL then my CHL and said; "COOL! You know, it's only going to take one of you guys shooting some creep at an ATM for all the creeps in town to get a clue." I said; "Are you married, and if you are, do have a sister who thinks like you do?" She laughed and said that she WAS married and that sadly, her sister didn't think like she did. She then asked to see my registration and insurance. Now my Dad had not put his current insurance card in the truck and I was SOL if she wanted to write me a ticket, but she went back to her car, was there about 2 minutes, came back handed me my stuff and sent me on my way. Once she saw my CHL, I was automatically a "good guy". So far, all the local cops I have talked with think CCW is a great idea. Even before NM got a CCW law, the vast majority of cops were pro-gun. I have always been honest with cops about my carry status and never had a problem. A couple have asked me to step out and have secured my gun, but hey, they didn't know me from Adam and in their place, I would be careful too. All of them have been polite and all of then thanked me for being honest and open. One stated explicitly that my honesty had positivly influenced him regarding my nature and motives and told him right off the bat that I was "one of the good guys".

    My 2 cents based on my experence, YMMV.
  20. tlhelmer

    tlhelmer Well-Known Member

    Some of us are good guys!

    The question is would you consider the officer a jerk if he had written you a ticket?

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