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GWB's Second Amendment Record

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Bartholomew Roberts, Jun 7, 2004.

  1. Bartholomew Roberts

    Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus

    We all know what Kerry's record has been - 100% ratings from VPC and the Brady Bunch, 100% from radical anti-hunting groups that oppose all forms of hunting, voting to ban .30-30 ammo, etc.

    It seems a lot of us have forgotten exactly what this administration has done (both pro and con) on the issue - so I thought I would post this as a reminder. The pro, neutral and con headings reflect my own personal opinions. Feel free to mentally rearrange them to reflect your own views on the Second Amendment.


    1. UN Small Arms Restrictions blocked by US

    2. Attorney General declares Second Amendment is individual right - reverses 35 years of previous Justice Department doctrine on the matter.

    3. Attorney General refuses to allow legitimate purchase of NICS data to be used for fishing expedition - Ashcroft stops grabbers from sifting through NICS data of legitimate purchasers to look for "terrorists".

    4. Ashcroft changes NICS data holding from 90 days to 1 day - NICS data on legitimate purchases will now be purged from the system in a single day as the law intended rather than being held onto for 90 days per Clinton policy

    5. Bush supports and will sign lawsuit preemption bill

    6. Bush ends taxpayer funding of useless HUD gun buybacks

    7. Signs bill closing loophole that prevented cargo pilots from being armed

    8. Signed the appropriations bill containing the Tiahrt Amendment that protects gunowner privacy by making item #4 the law of the land.

    9. Gets chance to have several things he claims to support (lawsuit preemption, gunshow background checks, semi-auto ban) on a single bill. Sends letter to Congress asking them to consider only lawsuit preemption.


    1. Claims to be against original bill arming air line pilots but signs bill authorizing it.

    2. Partially repeals Clinton ban on import of some semi-auto firearm parts instituted in Summer of 2000 to allow import of parts for repair purposes. Doesn't repeal any Executive Orders relating to guns instituted by previous Presidents.


    1. Continues his support (stated in 2000) of the notoriously useless semi-auto ban.

    2. Signed the bill banning non-existent plastic guns into law.
  2. wingedmonkey

    wingedmonkey Well-Known Member

  3. boofus

    boofus Guest

    Not to mention he signed into law the Texas CHL and he has at least 1 pistol (Saddam's) in the oval office. Plus Tricky Dick Cheney has a large gun collection including MGs. I don't think he will be pushing to ban individual ownership of NFA items any time soon, unlike kerry who is likely to try to ban anything having to do with guns.

    My litmus test comes Sept 13. Congress probably has enough socialist scum and backstabbing RINOs to pass feinswine's new ban. It'll be up to the president whether to sign it or veto. If W lets the ban disappear he'll get my vote. Otherwise it's voting Libertarian or voting from the rooftops. :scrutiny:
  4. GEM

    GEM Well-Known Member

    By no means has he been proactive on the RKBA's key points or bills introduced to signficantly enhance it.

    The crunch will come at AWB time. If it is renewed with his signature, then he has signficantly hurt the RKBA and the piddlely crap quoted is irrelevant.
  5. SodiumBenzoate

    SodiumBenzoate Well-Known Member

    I sincerely believe the only chance GWB has for re-election lies with the NRA.
  6. ssr

    ssr Well-Known Member

    I don't know if he will win or lose come election time, but I will say that I believe if the AWBan is renewed, he will lose.
  7. rick_reno

    rick_reno member

    GWB's 2nd Amendment Record

    I don't the AWB signed/unsigned and expired will make any difference in the election this year. It gets lots of coverage here, but you folks need to get away from your keyboards and out into the real world every now and then. At the local (N. Idaho) shooting range where I volunteer as a range master, I'll bring the AWB up with shooters and overwhelmingly either get the blank stare (they haven't heard about it) or they don't care. I get at least 5 to 1 in the "don't care, doesn't bother me" camp.

    It's important to remember when looking at GWB and the 2nd Amendment that he's had a "Republican" Congress for at least two years. The acomplishments noted are like spitting in the ocean - they don't mean anything. Spend some time and ponder what you would have liked them to acomplish - and work backwards from that.
  8. cheygriz

    cheygriz Well-Known Member

    Either President Bush or Senator Kerry will be president next year. There are no other choices.

    The record is clear. Bush is lukewarm on RKBA. Kerry is FANATICALLY anti-gun.

    Is there a choice for gun owners? I'll take lukewarm Pro over fanatically anti any day!
  9. flatrock

    flatrock Well-Known Member

    That's what a lot of people said 10 years ago. The original law caused the Democrats to lose control of the House for the first time in 60 years.

    There are a considerable number of people for whom second ammendmet rights are a major determining factor in deciding who to vote for.

    This election looks like it will be a close one, which scares the crap out of me, because Kerry is about as bad a choice as the Dems could give us.

    I'm betting that the White House is working pretty hard behind the scenes to make sure the AWB reauthorization never reaches Bush's desk.
  10. Desertdog

    Desertdog Well-Known Member

    Why doesn't this stop the PRK, and other states, from mandating the registration of all firearms??:barf:
  11. Bartholomew Roberts

    Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus

    To all those who noted Republican control of Congress and asked why more hasn't been accomplished, I would point out that "control" is at best a relative term.

    For two years, Bush lost control after Jim Jeffords switched and removed what narrow lead Republicans had in the Senate. The Republicans gained control back by winning 51 seats. That is "control" of the Senate in the same sense that driving with your hand on the gas pedal and your feet on the steering wheel is "control" of a car.

    In the House, Publicola has already noted that the GOA D and F rated members of the House (the vast majority of whom are Democrats) number only 10 less than the remaining GOA A,B and C rated candidates. Once again, not a lot of opportunity to advance pro-gun legislation.

    To me this is like giving the knight a nerf sword and then complaining that he hasn't yet slain the dragon. It is also why we really need to consolidate control in the House and push for pro-gun Senators in the Senate. We have a good chance to change both those numbers around this election - four anti-gun Senators are retiring and several others are in close races.

    If the semi-auto ban sunsets, this President will have done more for gun owners than any President in the last 50 years has.

    It only prohibits the Federal government from those activities. The states can still do whatever they like, especially since the Second hasn't been incorporated under the 14th yet.
  12. txgho1911

    txgho1911 Well-Known Member

    Hidden Agenda?

    Who's to say GWB wins this election and turns around to launch some public history lessons. Pushes congress to repeal the bad and lame gun laws passed last century. States restrictions on RKBA are preempted.
    He will have to nominate 2-3x the fed and supreme court judges from the high rate of heart attacks and strokes. 3 or 4 govenors and 3 mayors resign (Daley, Bloomberg).
    Slim chance of something like this. To many federal workers would be out of a job. Same story for TSA. Wheres the extension for this dept and arming pilots.
    I wouldn't mind seeing a candidate who would want full restoration.
    Anyone come to mind? Maybe for 2008.

    Spelling count?
  13. boofus

    boofus Guest

    Ron Paul or Aaron Russo in 2008! :D
  14. Michigander

    Michigander Well-Known Member

    GWB is certainly the lesser of the two evils.

    Too bad I don't want evil at all.
  15. fix

    fix Well-Known Member


    Want in one hand and :cuss: in the other. Let us know what happens.
  16. BTR

    BTR Well-Known Member

    He declared he didn't want any antigun riders to the lawsuit bill. That is something important.
  17. Third_Rail

    Third_Rail Well-Known Member

    Good to see a thread like this!

    I know who my vote is going to... like it'll matter, being in MA and all. I'm suuure Bush has even a chance of winning this state. :rolleyes:
  18. LAR-15

    LAR-15 Well-Known Member

    You forgot to mention his support for the AWB has been verbal alone.

    I've yet to see him standing with Schumer and holding up a Tec-9 or AB-10.
  19. Michigander

    Michigander Well-Known Member

    So I'm going to end up with evil either way. Hmm.

    Then voting for Badnarik is not wasted after all.
  20. LAR-15

    LAR-15 Well-Known Member

    Vote your principles.

    THAT vote is NEVER wasted!

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