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Has anybody had a bad Red Dot sight?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by DMK, May 25, 2003.

  1. DMK

    DMK Well-Known Member

    As a sort of follow on to Skunk's question.
    I've been doing some research myself and I haven't seen too many serious complaints about any model Red Dot sight. Are these things just inherently more durable than conventional optics?

    What models should one just stay away from?
  2. armabill

    armabill Well-Known Member

    Tasco Optima. I had to send one back. The elevation didn't work at all new. A friend of mine had the same problem too.

    Docter, ATN, Hakko and Tasco ProPoint all worked fine for me.
  3. cool45auto

    cool45auto Well-Known Member

    I've got a Simmons that hasn't given me any problems yet.
  4. pdt203

    pdt203 Well-Known Member

    I was listening to a radio show and an old man called in complaining about a blurry red dot. Come to find out his vision had changed. :cuss:


    Johnny in Huntsville
  5. cratz2

    cratz2 Well-Known Member

    I've had a Leupold/Gilmore on a pistol and a couple cheap Simmons, one one a S&W 22 pistol and the other I tried on a coupel rifles. Never had any problems.
  6. hps1

    hps1 Well-Known Member

    Once you got the problem resolved, how did the Tasco Optima perform?

    Have been thinking about using one on an M1 Garand, installing it where the rear sight is on the M1. This would give only about 1.5-2" eye relief. Tasco is out of business but they did not make the optima and original mfg. still making this sight.

    What is your best guess as to how this would work? Would the 4 moa (IIRC) dot be too large to be effective @ normal rifle ranges.........100 - 400 yds?

    I have a Millet mounted in conventional scope rings on a 10/22 and really like it. The Garand presents a problem in mounting due to top clip loading/ejection. The Millet is too long to give sufficient eye relief and clear clip path.

    Thanks for your input.

  7. Bullshooter

    Bullshooter Member

    Bad Red Dots?

    I've used red dots for years, from the cheapest BSA's to the Leupolds. I've never had one go bad. I have a Simmons mounted on an Oly PCR2 now and it's a blast to shoot. No worry about eye relief, just put the dot on the target and squeeze.
  8. Sisco

    Sisco Well-Known Member

    I've got a Simmons, had a devil of a time getting it zeroed then discovered that the elevation adjustment was backwards, up was down.
  9. armabill

    armabill Well-Known Member


    It didn't. I never received another one. At that time, Tasco quit making them cause they were starting to have a lot of trouble with the Optima.

    However, I had two, the first one still works fine. That's why I bought the second one which I sent back.

    In place of the Optima, Tasco gave me 4 different choices/combination of scope, binocular and/or other model red dots to select from.

    Soon after that, Tasco announced their impending closing. The remaining Optima works ok but I'm waiting for the day it bits the dust.

    I discovered the Docter sight which I bought to put on my Miini-14. It's made a lot better but is slightly bigger so as the old Optima bases will NOT fit the Docter. Only down side is that it costs more and doesn't come with a base- that's extra.
  10. hps1

    hps1 Well-Known Member


    Thanks for the benefit of your experience. I have been looking at the JB sight which resembles the Optima and was thinking about making a base that would replace the rear sight on my garand and would not require drilling/tapping. One concern I have is that with the sight mounted so close to the eye, the 4 moa dot would be too large to be effective???? The JB can be found @


    I found a site for the Docter but couldn't find a size for their dot. I assume you mounted yours forward on the mini 14 receiver which would give you more eye relief. What size dot do you have? Docter info @:


    Thanks again for the input.

  11. DMK

    DMK Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the responses guys.

    Very interesting. Kind of makes one wonder if it's worth spending a lot of money on one of these things unless your paying for a specific feature.
  12. armabill

    armabill Well-Known Member

    I got the smaller dot so I can use it on either a handgun or rifle. Below is a pic of the Mini-14 with the Optima which has been replaced with the Docter sight.

    The mount for the Mini-14 I made myself out of an old piece of aluminum.
  13. hps1

    hps1 Well-Known Member


    That's great! Perzactly what I had in mind for the garand, which would mount the same way you did yours without any drilling on the receiver. Did you have to put a set screw through the base block to put upward tension on it in order to tighten base up or do the side screws hold it securely enough?

    The JB is offered in 4 & 8 moa dot. Since the Docter is still mounted on the mini, I assume it is working for you.

    Thanks for the help.

  14. Peetmoss

    Peetmoss Well-Known Member

    I have had a simmions and a BSA die on me. The simmons no longer will turn off or adjust illumination and the BSA will no longer stay on after a shot.
  15. Ky Larry

    Ky Larry Well-Known Member

    I had a BSA on my S&W model 29. It died after 2 rounds. My dealer gave me another one. It died after 1 round. Got a Leupold Gilmore and never had another problem. I have a Millet on my S&W 686 that has never given me a problem.
  16. armabill

    armabill Well-Known Member


    I do have a screw in it where the old sight was. Tension is down onto the receiver.

    Yes, the Docter works and just barely fits on the home made mount. The holding screws on the Docter are further apart than the Optima.
  17. boofus

    boofus Guest

    I dunno if I just got a crappy unit, or if all Bushnell Sportsman red dots have this problem, but mine would turn itself off after every shot fired. You had to twiddle with the on-off knob to make it turn back on. :barf:
  18. armabill

    armabill Well-Known Member

    Now that doesn't sound right. It shouldn't do that. Are you planning on returning it to the factory?
  19. hps1

    hps1 Well-Known Member


    I have a couple of questions regarding the Docter sight and rather than monopolize this thread, sending you a PM. Sure appreciate your help so far, you've just about convinced me that the Docter is what I have been looking for.:)

  20. armabill

    armabill Well-Known Member

    hps 1:

    You got incoming.

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