10-Ring
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Nope, GW is still going strong and is doing a fine job in this troubled times. As I ask my liberal "friends" who is a better alternative, Gore?
Has Bush peaked early?
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MitchSchaft
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LOL, You have GOT to be kidding me! There's a reason why we in TN did not vote for him!
Marshall
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I shun to think what our freedoms would be if Gore was in office! He would have had no earthly idea what to do with foreign affairs after 911 and, would have been a pushover for all the liberals and their social agenda's here at home. We had a dem senate too remember, I shake my head when thinking about it. 
But, it turned out the best it could have so, !
But, it turned out the best it could have so,
!MoNsTeR
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How about:
"I voted Libertarian in 2000, and will again in 2004, and BTW Dubya is doing a terrible job just like every president this century."
"I voted Libertarian in 2000, and will again in 2004, and BTW Dubya is doing a terrible job just like every president this century."
Phyphor
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The only problem with voting Libertarian, (or... GAG GREEN,) is your vote seems all but wasted. given that neither party has a chance in hell of getting into office anytime soon....
Leatherneck
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Pax,
I share your disappointment, but nowhere near as strongly as you. I think GWB is a good man, who, due to his lack of federal experience, and at his parents' urging, relies heavily on Cheney, Rice, and Rumsfeld. They are single-minded men who have no particular appreciation of, or fondness for, individual rights. They believe in their agenda and can't imagine one of their close cohorts abusing the ever-wider encroachment on the BOR. I truly don't worry much about what the current administration will do with its newfound authority; I do worry considerably about what a future dem president and cabinet might do with the residuals they inherit.
TC
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I share your disappointment, but nowhere near as strongly as you. I think GWB is a good man, who, due to his lack of federal experience, and at his parents' urging, relies heavily on Cheney, Rice, and Rumsfeld. They are single-minded men who have no particular appreciation of, or fondness for, individual rights. They believe in their agenda and can't imagine one of their close cohorts abusing the ever-wider encroachment on the BOR. I truly don't worry much about what the current administration will do with its newfound authority; I do worry considerably about what a future dem president and cabinet might do with the residuals they inherit.
TC
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NewShooter78
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I don't like Bush, but I think he said the right things after 9/11 and then didn't back them up as much as he should have. I really think the administration should be looking towards NK right now considering they LOCKED ON to one of our military aircraft in international waters and came damn close to recreating the disaster that happened not too long ago when one of their fighters came a bit too close.
Malone LaVeigh
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I'll buy that, with heavy emphasis on the "might." When anyone brought up Bush's lack of a foreign policy resume during the election, the response was always that he had been surrounded by seasoned world-class diplomats who would be able to avert any disasters he could get us into. It turns out that the old hands like Cheny, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, etc., and their neo-conservative arrogance have so alienated the world that now we can't even get an old knee-jerk ally like Turkey to support our efforts.
In this case, that's a good thing, since our effort is misguided, IMO. But I seriously doubt that Gore would have had the same problem getting the Europeans and Arab nations on board. Maybe I'm assuming he would have carried a little more of the Clinton legacy than is true. If Clinton was still prez, the French would probably be leading the charge. (Well, maybe not "leading," they are still French, after all.)
As it is, Bush has managed to squander all of the good will the US had following 9/11 by chasing after unrelated hobgoblins and pursuing a foreign policy of coersion, bribery and insult. All the while enviscerating our civil rights at home and driving the economy into the worst recession since Daddy got us into an unnecessary war. Seems some folks never learn.
JPM70535
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All the Bush bashing isn't going to alter fhe fact that if Al "Mr personality" Gore had been elected president the 2nd amendment would by now have been deleted from the Constitution and the right to keep and bear arms would be just a far distant memory.
While Bush may not be letter perfect as Prez. he is so far ahead of anyone the Democrats espouse that there is no comparison.
I will vote for any Conservative, regardless of party affiliation, just show me a Democrat who stands foresquare against gun control and loudly proclaims his belief in the RKBA. Any who stood up and were counted could kiss their chance of being nominated as their party's candidate.
In the meantime I will vote for Bush as many times as I can.
While Bush may not be letter perfect as Prez. he is so far ahead of anyone the Democrats espouse that there is no comparison.
I will vote for any Conservative, regardless of party affiliation, just show me a Democrat who stands foresquare against gun control and loudly proclaims his belief in the RKBA. Any who stood up and were counted could kiss their chance of being nominated as their party's candidate.
In the meantime I will vote for Bush as many times as I can.
Carlos Cabeza
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I think Al Gore would have made a fine Pres.......Er uhhhh PUPPET !!!!!!!!! Yeah that and his beard looked STUPID !!!
faustulus
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Woodchuck,
One the hijackers got on the plane with BOXCUTTERS do you really think it would have made a difference who paid them before Sept. 11? Think of how many times you have had stuff lost by the airlines and how many times you have had stuff stolen by the guy who checked your luggage, then tell me who are thieves. And as far as what language they speak... I am not even going to go there. There is no logic to it at all. Let me just say if someone is building me a car or a house I would rather they NOT speak english. But even after all that you didn't give me an example of where government did better than private industry.
How about investments, lets look at the stock market since 1945 vs. Social Security. After all the government does such a good job with the INS or the BATF or the drug trafficking.
Yes we all see what a good job government employees do. Does the term "good enough for government work." ring any bells. That is not to say that the government doesn't ever do things well they just have deck of bureaucats stacked against them.
Now what about the department of Homeland security has changed that? the CIA and FBI are still seperate departments as is the NSA. These were the guys not talking before. If he had disolved those and united them under the HS maybe there would be an arguement. In fact he just created a bigger office which can now compete with the others. and if you think they won't I have this nice bridge you may be interested in...
This mentality scares me. Isn't it time we stood up for what we believe and not worry so much about being on the "winning side." We tell ourselves it is the only way. But year after year we are seeing our rights eaten away, we just seem to pick and choose which ones we want to lose.
One the hijackers got on the plane with BOXCUTTERS do you really think it would have made a difference who paid them before Sept. 11? Think of how many times you have had stuff lost by the airlines and how many times you have had stuff stolen by the guy who checked your luggage, then tell me who are thieves. And as far as what language they speak... I am not even going to go there. There is no logic to it at all. Let me just say if someone is building me a car or a house I would rather they NOT speak english. But even after all that you didn't give me an example of where government did better than private industry.
How about investments, lets look at the stock market since 1945 vs. Social Security. After all the government does such a good job with the INS or the BATF or the drug trafficking.
Yes we all see what a good job government employees do. Does the term "good enough for government work." ring any bells. That is not to say that the government doesn't ever do things well they just have deck of bureaucats stacked against them.
Now what about the department of Homeland security has changed that? the CIA and FBI are still seperate departments as is the NSA. These were the guys not talking before. If he had disolved those and united them under the HS maybe there would be an arguement. In fact he just created a bigger office which can now compete with the others. and if you think they won't I have this nice bridge you may be interested in...
This mentality scares me. Isn't it time we stood up for what we believe and not worry so much about being on the "winning side." We tell ourselves it is the only way. But year after year we are seeing our rights eaten away, we just seem to pick and choose which ones we want to lose.
WilderBill
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I think Dubya has apair to be sure and is the right guy for the office at this trying time.
Could he be better?
Couldn't we all?!
I do wish he would stop trying to keep the stupid UN somehow relavent. He needs to let the UN show how useless it really is and just get on with it.
I expect that once Iraq has been decisively dealt with, a lot of bad attitudes will improve and NK will either become more humble or cease to exist.
Could he be better?
Couldn't we all?!
I do wish he would stop trying to keep the stupid UN somehow relavent. He needs to let the UN show how useless it really is and just get on with it.
I expect that once Iraq has been decisively dealt with, a lot of bad attitudes will improve and NK will either become more humble or cease to exist.
Phyphor
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This mentality scares me. Isn't it time we stood up for what we believe and not worry so much about being on the "winning side." We tell ourselves it is the only way. But year after year we are seeing our rights eaten away, we just seem to pick and choose which ones we want to lose.
Hell yea, we gotta stand up for what we believe in. But sometimes the options that would lead to the best outcomes aren't quite clear.
I do agree that one should vote wherever their conscience takes them, nevermind my expression of disheartedness(sp?)
I guess I'm just frustrated with the current political situation....
:banghead:
Hell yea, we gotta stand up for what we believe in. But sometimes the options that would lead to the best outcomes aren't quite clear.
I do agree that one should vote wherever their conscience takes them, nevermind my expression of disheartedness(sp?)
I guess I'm just frustrated with the current political situation....
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pax, I think GW is upholding the Constitution...
...as he understands it.
Therein lies the problem - he doesn't understand it. He is honorable, but ignorant. And the crowd around him is not going to help him understand it, either.
...as he understands it.
Therein lies the problem - he doesn't understand it. He is honorable, but ignorant. And the crowd around him is not going to help him understand it, either.
I'm one of those conservative Christian sorts of guys so gun rights isn't my only criteria for voting for someone. As such I couldn't vote for anybody other than GWB, since nobody else who held anything close to the same value set had any chance of winning.
I'll vote for him again, as there's nobody else even close to being able to win who meets my standards.
I'll vote for him again, as there's nobody else even close to being able to win who meets my standards.
Malone LaVeigh
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I used to believe that. But if this were ignorance, he would be a mongoloid idiot.
No, I am convinced he knows very well what he is doing. He's surrounded himself by these neo-con "American century" types because he really want's to do away with the Republic and bring on the Empire. Of course, he doesn't put it that way, even in his own thoughts. He just believes in American superiority with the same arrogant assurance that the Romans believed that they were bringing the light of civilization to the rest of the world. And, from a detached perspective, there is truth to that. Most of the conquered tribes did benefit in many ways by Roman conquest. The Romans also became wealthier and more secure for a while. All both groups gave up was their autonomy.
Monkeyleg
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Malone:
If what you suggest is true, then Canada and Mexico would now be colonies, and we'd be taking oil for free from Venezuala at the point of a gun.
For the last three or more years, I've listened to the anti-UN types complain about how the UN was going to dominate the US. Now, Bush is making it clear to the UN that the organization may become history, and many of the same complainers are now accusing Bush of trying to establish a unilateral Empire.
It can't be both ways.
If what you suggest is true, then Canada and Mexico would now be colonies, and we'd be taking oil for free from Venezuala at the point of a gun.
For the last three or more years, I've listened to the anti-UN types complain about how the UN was going to dominate the US. Now, Bush is making it clear to the UN that the organization may become history, and many of the same complainers are now accusing Bush of trying to establish a unilateral Empire.
It can't be both ways.
faustulus
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I agree with monkeyleg, it isn't Bush that scares me it is who comes after him.
As I have said before, think of a Nixon or a Clinton with all these new powers.
Scary.
As I have said before, think of a Nixon or a Clinton with all these new powers.
Scary.
Ed Brunner
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He hasn't peaked yet. Think for a minute how we got where we are and who would be better in the long run for Americans. If anyone could seriously prefer Gore, then one of us is missing something.
The biggest enemy Constitutional USA has is the current crop of Clinton Democrats who put party and politics ahead of the nation's well being. Look at their desperate opposition to GWB and tell me they are Americans for America.
The biggest enemy Constitutional USA has is the current crop of Clinton Democrats who put party and politics ahead of the nation's well being. Look at their desperate opposition to GWB and tell me they are Americans for America.
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