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Has this Enfield (Webley) been converted to .45 ACP?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by ApacheCoTodd, Dec 4, 2012.

  1. ApacheCoTodd

    ApacheCoTodd Well-Known Member

    First off. Fear not, From what I've been able to find so far - this conversion (if it is in fact converted) is ill advised at best so I don't intend to shoot it.

    I thought this was a nice example of the Mark VI pistol and really had no intention of getting into Enfield pistols but the price was right.

    Upon opening it I see that the rear of the cylinder is unusually bright but thought little of it until looking into the background of these pistols and found several postings warning of the .45 ACP conversions - some with horrendous photos.

    Gets me to thinkin'. I have a couple of 1917s sitting about with full and half moon clips incase of marauding hordes of, well... whatevers and thought to try slipping one into the Enfield while sorta hoping it wouldn't fit.

    Damn, perfect fit for my full moons. Is this a reliable indicator that it has been "converted"? I had half hoped a standard chamber wouldn't allow an ACP in.

    Additionally, an un-clipped .45 ACP round falls about 1/16 inch too far into the cylinder.

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  2. vicdotcom

    vicdotcom Well-Known Member

    Hmm the serial number off the cylinder looks like it had a few mm shaved off also?
    Last edited: Dec 4, 2012
  3. pendennis

    pendennis Well-Known Member

    Doesn't look as though it has. The ejector star center should be hexagonal.

    Does the moon clip turn on its own?
  4. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

    Yes, it has been converted.

    If it hadn't been, .45 ACP in clips would stick out too far to allow the gun to close.

  5. 56hawk

    56hawk Well-Known Member

    Yep, definitely converted. Otherwise as mentioned, the serial number would be on the back of the cylinder and you couldn't close it with moon clipped 45 ACP. The rim on the original Webley round is very thin.

    Do you reload? You could always load 45 Auto Rim down to 455 pressure.
  6. ApacheCoTodd

    ApacheCoTodd Well-Known Member

    Thanks fellas.

    Yup - reloading is definitely an option. I guess I'll get to marking some cases to indicate down-loads.

    On the plus side - it keeps me out of a whole new caliber but rather, in a different load of an existing one. I wonder if I'll ever even bother.
  7. RevolvingGarbage

    RevolvingGarbage Well-Known Member

    So. Very. Jealous.

    Even if coverted, that is one amazing gun. More pics?
  8. Jim K

    Jim K Well-Known Member

    I would not fire full power .45 ACP in that gun; better to download .45 ACP or .45 Auto Rim to below .45 Colt (standard) loads.

  9. rondog

    rondog Well-Known Member

    Huh. I vaguely remember that when I was very young, my oldest brother had a Webley revolver that he shot .45acp's in with moon clips. I had no idea that was a conversion, I always thought the pistol would handle the .45acp just fine, and only needed the moon clips because they had no rims. I wonder if my brother knew it was a conversion back then and the .45acp was too hot for it? I doubt he did.
  10. Radagast

    Radagast Well-Known Member

    Converted Webleys can stretch or crack the top strap, break the stirrup and have been known to blow the cylinder apart.

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  11. ApacheCoTodd

    ApacheCoTodd Well-Known Member

    Thanks again fellas. It'll get down-loads when shot.

    What are the thoughts on lead outa these? Seems kind of natural based upon vintage ammo I've seen.

    56hawk I like the autorim suggestion to keep me from possibly mixing ACP stuff down the road. Can a fella slip those autorims into a moon clip as well?

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  12. Checkman

    Checkman member

    I have a converted Webley. I fire very mild reloads (45 AR specs) and lead bullets. That's what the Webley fired in .455 (lead Round Nose) and does just fine with it. Even converted it's a great revolver. I looked for many years before I found mine. I'm keeping it.
  13. Bikewer

    Bikewer Well-Known Member

    These were available for next to nothing (about 35 bucks, as I recall, when I was in the army back in the 60s.
    I was always tempted, but never bought one. Likely a good thing, as there were no warnings of any kind, and I'd have had no compunction about using regular .45ACP in one.

    I did have several of the S&W M1917 revolvers; they were widely available back then too, usually for around 50 bucks.
    I used to load .45 Auto Rim brass for those.
  14. 56hawk

    56hawk Well-Known Member

    The Auto Rim brass has a thicker rim on it so that you don't have to use moon clips. It also makes it so that you can't use it with moon clips.
  15. zeke

    zeke Well-Known Member

    Hornady now makes an original 265 gn hollow base bullet for these. Bought some from Graph and Sons, but have not tried them yet.
  16. Kaeto

    Kaeto Well-Known Member

    I also use a Webley with .45 Auto Rim downloaded to .455 pressures with lead projectiles. I load with 3.6 grains of Bullseye and that feels low powered with 255 grain LRNFP.
  17. ApacheCoTodd

    ApacheCoTodd Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the data Kaeto. Any particular primer to use?
  18. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

    Any brand non-Magnum Lg Pistol primer is fine.

  19. ApacheCoTodd

    ApacheCoTodd Well-Known Member

    Got it RC, thanks - no special requirements or passes other than non-mag.
  20. Kaeto

    Kaeto Well-Known Member

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