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Health Care Reform = Gun Control! Write your legislators!

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by drjoker, Oct 27, 2009.

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  1. drjoker

    drjoker Well-Known Member

    I just came across this random page on the internet and was really alarmed. I invite you to write your legislators! Now!

    By Jennifer Freeman:

    While the Democrats are holding closed-door negotiations on merging the two Senate health care bills, the National Institute of Health has quietly begun studying the health effects of gun ownership. These two, seemingly separate activities are, in fact, closely related.

    The NIH has a pre-existing position that owning a gun is a public health risk. They intend to "prove" this theory by investigating "whether adolescents who consume alcohol and/or carry firearms, and/or whose daily activities occur in surroundings rich in alcohol and/or firearms, face a differential risk of being shot with a firearm or injured in a non-gun assault." In other words, the NIH is going to study the behavior of gang members and use that information to support their position that firearm ownership is a public health risk.

    Private studies, as well as casual observation, tells us that cities with a higher level of gun ownership consistently have lower levels of crime than comparably-sized cities with strict gun control laws. We know that firearms prevent crime an estimated 2.5 million times per year often resulting in no bloodshed whatsoever. Based on these facts, one could argue that firearm ownership is a health benefit in that it saves lives. The NIH has no interest in this angle, however.

    The NIH, with public support from the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, will likely pursue the activities of gang members and apply their findings to gun owners across the board. Once this begins, people applying for health insurance may be required to disclose whether or not they own firearms. (It is also possible, that by sharing data between agencies, the government will already know whether or not you own a firearm). Firearm owners could be forced to pay significantly higher insurance rates.

    Of course, firearm ownership is only one aspect of how nationalized health care provides the government with a welcome invitation to control almost every aspect of your life. What you eat, how much you exercise, whether you smoke or drink is only the beginning. Health insurance will likely be mandatory by law and your adherence to government "health" standards will be mandatory in order to afford and/or receive benefits.

    The 2000 elections taught Democrats the painful lesson that Americans overwhelmingly support gun ownership as guaranteed in the Bill of Rights. Rather than accept the will of the American people, the Democrats have resorted to sneaky, anti-gun bigotry. From registering ammunition to denying that the Second Amendment applies outside of Washington DC, the Democrats are doing everything they can to make it too expensive or too much of a hassle to own a gun while simultaneously claiming that they "don't want to take your guns away." Nationalized health care will likely be another example of such bigotry.


    P.S. If you write at least 2 letters (one senator, one congressman), and then post them here as proof that you wrote them, hand signed them, and MAILED them, then I will enter you in a contest to win a free usa handmade leather hip holster. If you are a woman, you may mail me your purse with a broken shoulder strap and I will fix it and install a holster in it (if you don't want a hip holster). Please do not send me a new purse as some designer purses cost over $1000 and I do not want to be responsible for that. I will choose a winner one week from now. I invite you to write your legislators now!


    P.S. If any of you guys want to help, I invite you to post here an offer to randomly pick a person who writes their legislators and give this person a prize, such as a gun (by legal means such as FFL to FFL) or some gun product or perhaps you could give away an NRA membership (it comes with a neat gun magazine subscription).

    P.S. My letter will say:
    To the Honorable Mr/Ms Congressman/Senator, Please make sure that there is no language in the health care reform bill that will infringe my 2nd amendment right to bear arms. For example, making insurance premiums more expensive for gun owners would infringe my rights. Also, making it illegal for people with common ailments such as depression to own guns would be an infringement on my 2nd amendment rights. It would be better to not pass the health care reform bill, but if it must pass, try to keep it as small as possible so that we would not be emburdened with inflation nor crushing taxes in the future. Indigent people are already covered by Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security. Please do not raise my taxes nor raise the inflation rate. Thank you, (my name).

    P.S. your letter will not have to say anything about taxes nor inflation. Just mention our 2nd amendment rights and tell 'em not to infringe them in the health care reform bill and I'll enter you one chance in the contest to win an heirloom holster.
  2. w_houle

    w_houle Well-Known Member

    I just can't believe this is anything more than a ruse to spook the herd. I know I don't even have a G.E.D. in Law, but can't help but to have this instantly set off my BS detector.
  3. smogmage

    smogmage Well-Known Member

    I'm fully against whatever incarnation of "healthcare" they try to ram through, however I really don't believe it has anything to do with firearms or firearm ownership. Its clearly no secret the Brady campaign wants to ban all guns everywhere and will use junk "studies" to achieve that end. But its relevance to healthcare at this point is is questionable at best.
  4. Vern Humphrey

    Vern Humphrey Well-Known Member

    Health care reform has one thing in common with gun control -- it's all about control.
  5. hoppinglark

    hoppinglark Well-Known Member

    the Violence Policy Center has been saying the same thing for years.
    The question is how far will they take it?
    EVERYTHING is a Public Health issue, when you get down to it.
  6. rbernie

    rbernie Well-Known Member

    There is no doubt that they WILL try to make gun control a health issue, just as they are trying to do with so many other aspects of society. The question is how effective will they be?

    The CDC tracks these sorts of things, at a macro level:


    As is always the case, the key to statistics is choosing what data to include/exclude and how to categorize it.

    I'm moving this thread to GGD, since it does not belong in Activism.
  7. Clifford

    Clifford Well-Known Member

    The sad thing is I am not surprised !
  8. OrangePwrx9

    OrangePwrx9 Well-Known Member

    Wake up, guys. This is exactly what they want to do...with guns and a whole lot of other things. Some here seem to be in denial. If they can't outlaw guns outright, they'll make them so expensive to own (as in mandatory liability insurance) that they might as well be illegal. As the cost of the health program mounts, don't expect them to look kindly on your Harley, your hang glider, or your skydiving either.

    Back in 2007, would you have believed the country would be in the state it is now?? Things are changing rapidly and for a reason. The element of surprise can be used to defeat the opposition. If half the country still thinks they're living in Mayberry, they won't know what hit 'em.

    These people hate us, our country and our way of life. They are our enemies. Time to recalibrate the BS detector.
  9. rbernie

    rbernie Well-Known Member

    Gang - I'm tired of deleting posts that cannot stay on topic. Debating health care options is not on topic for THR. Discussing how health care initiatives can be used to harm the RKBA, and what we can do about that, is on topic.
  10. drjoker

    drjoker Well-Known Member

    Stepping it up a notch....

    OK, due to non-response, I'll step it up a notch. The first person who posts a copy of their letters here will get a holster. Subsequent posters will get a dice roll and if the dice hits snake eyes (2 ones) then I'll mail you a holster. I will give away a minimum of 1 holster and a maximum of 2 holsters.

    C'mon, y'all! I invite you to get writing, Now! (thanks)
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  11. TimM

    TimM Well-Known Member

    I write and call my representatives every week, so it is not a problem to add this to the long list of complaints that I already have with these clowns.

    Senator Udall,

    I have written you several times in the past about the concerns I have with the new health care reform bill that you and others in your position seem so intent on ramming down our throat. My latest concern is the backdoor attempt to sneak gun control into this bill.

    In previous responses to me you claim to be a proponent of the Second Amendment and our (The American People)God given rights to keep and bare arms so, once again I respectfully urge you to oppose any bill that would infringe, in any way, our Second Amendment rights.

    And, on another note, in the future please do not vote on legislation before it is written or you have thoroughly read and understand it.

    Timothy S Morehead
    Parker, CO

    I have just sent this out to Senators Udall and Bennet. I will add this and go into more detail with them in my weekly Monday letter and phone call.
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  12. drjoker

    drjoker Well-Known Member

    Someone's gettin' a holster

    Someone's gettin a holster! Keep the letters coming and I'll keep rolling the dice to see if there are any additional holsters!
  13. kingpin008

    kingpin008 Well-Known Member

    TimM - not to pick nits, but it's "keep and bear arms", not "keep and bare arms".

    I'm not trying to be a grammar/spelling nazi, but when writing to our elected officials, we need to be at the top of our game if we want to be taken seriously.
  14. Sudden Impact

    Sudden Impact Well-Known Member


    Many may be like me and don't have a clue of "how" to post a picture!

    But I do know how to write letters and mail them.

    I will add that to e-mails and calls.

    I quit mailing letters when the powder scare was causing mail to be rejected.

    Sudden Impact
  15. Philo_Beddoe

    Philo_Beddoe Well-Known Member

    Just a bunch of ramblings on someone blog.

    Until I see actual legislation coming up, this is just more conspiracy theory stuff.
  16. Beelzy

    Beelzy Well-Known Member

    Too little too late.

    Doctors are already asking patients if they own guns and if the have ammo, and also if
    the guns are locked up.

    Go see for yourself, it's already happening.

    Liability concerns are the new Gun Grabber Technique.
  17. drjoker

    drjoker Well-Known Member

    Reply to other posters' questions/comments.

    You don't have to post a picture of your letter. You're using a computer now, right? Just use your computer to write the letter. Drag your mouse across the letter with the left mouse button depressed. Then, click your right mouse button and click "copy". Put your mouse inside the forum's message window, click your right mouse button and click "paste". Sign your letter with a pen and mail it. That's it. If you've handwritten the letter, then just write a short 3 sentence summary of the letter (the "gist" of it and post it here).
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  18. rbernie

    rbernie Well-Known Member

    I'm tired of deleting posts and issuing infractions to folk who can't stay on topic and who are evidently unable to heed the reminder that I posted in the middle of the thread.

    This one is officially done.
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