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Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by dispatch 510, Oct 6, 2006.

  1. dispatch 510

    dispatch 510 New Member

    Oct 6, 2006
    Just wanted to say hello to all,I am new to this forum seems like some mighty fine folk here.I am a avid black powder shooter,Just rifles at the present time. Favorite gun is my 54 cal Renegade. Been douing alot of reading about the differant Cap-n-Ball revovers, I think I am gouing to have to have a friend for my Renegade. I really like the 36cal 1851. Thanks for reading and I look forward to reading and learning from you fine folks.
  2. dwave

    dwave Participating Member

    Jan 28, 2006
    The wonderful United States
    Welcome to the forum dispatch! If you are thinking about getting a 51 navy I can say that I love mine. It shoots decent and really feels great to hold because it points great and is balanced. It was a very well designed gun.
  3. Duncaninfrance

    Duncaninfrance Active Member

    Dec 20, 2005
    Blaye, France
    Come on in, the smoke's good and thick!
  4. El Tejon

    El Tejon Elder

    Dec 24, 2002
    Lafayette, Indiana-the Ned Flanders neighbor to Il
    Welcome to THR.:)
  5. Plastic Cowboy

    Plastic Cowboy New Member

    Aug 17, 2006
    You better pick one up ASAP....a cap n ball revolver is necessary to defend your self from a bayonet charge after you have fired your BP rifle!!!

    I can't tell you how many times my 58 Remington has saved my life.....really I can't!!;)

    seriously though....they are a helluva lot of fun to shoot!!! You won't be dissapointed!!
  6. btsyshsbnd

    btsyshsbnd New Member

    Sep 28, 2006
    welcome dispatch510 my brother has a renegade .54 what a fun gun to shoot and accurate as all get out
  7. Gatofeo

    Gatofeo Member

    Feb 17, 2004
    Remote Utah desert
    For a first-timer, I suggest a Remington .44 caliber revolver.
    Why? Because the larger balls needed for best accuracy are readily available. This means balls of .454 or .457 inch, not the oft-suggested diameter of .451 inch.
    Now if Speer, Hornady and Remington --- the most commercially available brands of balls --- offered a .380 inch ball for the .36 caliber sixguns, I'd have no qualms about suggesting that caliber. As it is, they only offer balls of .375 inch diameter, which I've found too small.
    If you cast bullets already, and have a good source of dead-soft lead (at least softer than wheelweights) then you can get a Lee bullet mould of .380 inch and make your own oversized balls.
    If you search the internet, you may find .380 balls for sale. Warren Muzzleloading of Ozone, Arkansas once sold them. Then its site was down. I just checked and don't find it anymore. However, there may be others out there that offer .380 inch balls.
    But for a beginner, all you need is readily available if you buy a .44 caliber revolver. I'd suggest the Remington as it's authentic --- Colt never made the 1851 Navy in .44 caliber so it's not authentic. Because of its smaller cylinder, intended for the .36 caliber, it will not hold as much powder.
    The Remington is also readily available in stainless steel; at the moment I don't know of anyone making an 1851 Navy in stainless steel. Colt did back in the 1980s but those now bring premium prices and are not easily found.
    For a beginner, I'd suggest a stainless steel Remington in .44 caliber. You can get target sights if you wish but I think you'll find it more fun to leave it authentic and use the fixed sights.
    I suggest stainless steel because beginners are often not very conscientious about cleaning their cap and ball revolvers as they should be. Stainless steel is more forgiving.
    I'd suggest using real black powder, in FFFG grade if you can get it, and a hard felt wad soaked in Gatofeo No. 1 Lubricant twixt ball and powder. You can purchase Gatofeo No. 1 Lubricant and hard felt wads soaked in it from Big Iron Barrel Works at http://www.bigironbarrels.com/.
    See my posts above, concerning cap and ball revolvers. You'll find a lot of good information in there.
    You'll want to print out the above posts; I'm a long-winded ol' desert cat. :D

    One last word: Never, EVER use smokeless powder in your revolver. Sooner or later, someone will suggest you put a pinch of Bullseye, Unique, W231 or some other fast-burning powder next to the nipple, before adding the black powder.
    Don't do it. That person is a fool.
    Use nothing but black powder of approved black powder substitutes, such as Pyrocex or 777. Note too that Hodgdon 777 should not be used at the same volume as black powder or Pyrodex. A visit to the Hodgdon website will offer 777 loads.
    Should you choose to purchase a cap and ball sixgun, you'll find yourself in a fascinating hobby. It's great fun to stoke one up, touch off a shot and find a link to the old-timers.
  8. mec

    mec Senior Member

    Dec 27, 2002
    I've bought 380s from dixie. they were cast and in stock at the time of my order. I don't know if this is always the case.
    track of the wolf,
    advertises cast .380 balls.

    Buffalo bullets advertises 36 caliber pistol balls but will not publish the exact diameter. They do so with all other products.

    The speer .375 round balls are actually round and of a consistent diameter. They will sometimes work very well in chambers that the out of round and undersized hornady balls simply roll out of. Unfortunately, Hornady balls seem to predominate in local retail stores.

    The Gat is right. 451s are fine in some chambers but loose in enough of them to make .454 a good minimum and .457s work just fine too.
  9. sjohns

    sjohns Member

    Mar 21, 2006
    Twentynine Palms, CA
    Hi Dispatch!

    Glad to have you here.
  10. dispatch 510

    dispatch 510 New Member

    Oct 6, 2006
    Thanks for the warm welcome fellows. Gatofeo Thanks for the info and with the advice. Just this past weekend I had my Cabelas catalog out looking at the 5 1/2 inch barrel. What is your opinion on it?
  11. sundance44s

    sundance44s Participating Member

    Feb 6, 2006

    Just bought a Uberti 5 1/2 barreled remmie from Taylors ..Cabelas sells the Pietta remmie ... if it`s anywhere as nice as the Uberti .. it`s sweet . good shooter too .

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