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Here's one you won't see everyday!!!!!

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by John Holbrook, Aug 24, 2010.

  1. John Holbrook

    John Holbrook Well-Known Member

    I was in South Vietnam in 1967 doing Bomb Damage Assessment. The Navy was using MK 82 500# bombs that were dated back to WW II!!! Many were not detonating and the VC were digging them up and making booby traps out of the explosive.. I was a Navy CPO and was the leader of an EOD team. We usually had a Army or Marine Squad assigned to protect us depending on where we were working and the local conditions.. We would dig up these duds, remove the fuses and then detonate them...

    On one of these missions, we ran into a little trouble with some VC. I was at the time carrying an M14 after a bad experience with an M16A1. I stepped from behind a tree and came face to face with a VC. He was just a boy, about 14 or so. He was armed with an AK and had a pistol in his hand. As he raised the handgun and began to point it in my direction, I brought the M14 up and fired two quick rounds, both of which hit him in the chest...

    He fell back against a tree and I moved over to him and kicked the pistol out of his hand. After the situation stabilized, I picked up the pistol and saw it was a Victory Model S&W. I observed a bullet sticking out of the barrel, so I emptied the chamber of live rounds, which were WW II dated USGI, and dropped it into my pack.

    When I had a chance to examine the gun, I could feel lumps in the barrel and so I knew that there were rounds in the barrel. I brought the gun with me when I flew back to the ship on my way back to the States. At the time I was working part time for Dick Green at his gun shop on Whidbey Island, WA. I removed the barrel and using a dremel tool, I cut a section out of the barrel and found 9 rounds stuck nose to tail!!!!! That means he had to reload it at leaast once!!!!! I made a new barrel for it, and that is why the barrel lug is cut off.... I replaced the original barrel in the receiver when I started working the gun shows. Thousands of people have seen this relic...

    This pistol is chambered in .38 Special, however the barrel is marked .38 S&W CTG. which is a different round.... However, they are both .357 bullet diameter. the round sticking out of the barrel is a tracer, which is probably the curprit, and the rest are GI Ball....

  2. dawico

    dawico Well-Known Member

    I have a buddy that did something similiar with a 32 caliber trying to work up lighter loads for Cowboy Action Shooting. He only had five stuck in it though.
  3. tincanhunter

    tincanhunter Well-Known Member

    To do that and not blow up, that's one tough pistol.
  4. WardenWolf

    WardenWolf member

    . . .

    Wow. Just wow. Quite a story, and amazing the thing didn't blow up. I suspect all the rounds were bad in some way, though; otherwise it would have blown. I've heard lots of reports of WWII .45 ammo degrading to the point of extended hangfires and other malfunctions. I believe they may not have bothered to seal the primers on World War II pistol ammunition, as it seems to have aged much worse than the rifle ammo and other ammo made since the war. The jungle environment would have further accelerated its decay, and chances are it barely went boom at all by the time that poor boy got it.
  5. CZ223

    CZ223 Well-Known Member

    I saw the same thing happen

    with a 6 inch S&W686. I was at an indoor range when I heard a pop followed quickly by 5 more normal sounding reports. I couldn't get to the guy in the lane next to me fast enough. As I approached him he was reloading the gun.:eek: I told him that I suspected that the first shot was a dud and he agreed that It sounded funny. When I looked down the barrel there was abullet lodged just past the forcing cone. When I tried to dilodge it with my cleaning rod I found the other 5 rounds.:what: There was a buldge in the barrel. He was lucky that the gun held together. The unfortunate part was that it was a brand new gun and the loads he was using were comercial reloads that he bought at the range.
  6. TexasGunbie

    TexasGunbie Well-Known Member

    wow I didn't such a thing can happen. Is it only in revolvers??
  7. WardenWolf

    WardenWolf member

    It can happen with semi-autos as well. Not many guns can withstand that type of pressure, though. Ruger P-series pistols can, and have, with no permanent damage except to the barrel. Most will blow up in your hand, though. Probably the worst combination I could imagine is a squib on a polymer-framed fixed-barrel direct blowback pistol. I'm not sure if such an animal exists, but the result would be nothing short of horrible.
  8. Jackal1

    Jackal1 Well-Known Member

    A somewhat similar test was carried out on the XD series of pistols, and I believe I recall hearing something about S&W M&P pistols undergoing a similar test as well?

  9. Nasty

    Nasty Well-Known Member

    One to another...Welcome Home John!
  10. John Holbrook

    John Holbrook Well-Known Member

    Thanks Nasty. I have proven VERY HARD TO KILL!!!!!!!!
  11. The Lone Haranguer

    The Lone Haranguer Well-Known Member

    The shooter probably wondered why he kept missing. :evil:
  12. Nasty

    Nasty Well-Known Member

    It's good to be old, eh John?

    Wish you had been allowed to finish the job though...would have saved me a trip three years later.
  13. VegasAR15

    VegasAR15 Well-Known Member

    That is a great picture and a great story. I wonder how many American lives that tracer might have saved?
  14. silversport

    silversport Well-Known Member

    thanks for showing that, telling the story (fascinating) and most of all for your Service.
  15. LHRGunslinger

    LHRGunslinger Well-Known Member

    @VegasAR15: I'd say at LEAST three.
  16. Nasty

    Nasty Well-Known Member

    An interesting thought for sure, but <sigh>...Time for a history lesson again.

    It wasn't just America that was involved. Also fighting under SEATO there were troops from Germany, Australia, New Zealand, South Korea, Philippines, Thailand and of course, the ARVN (sorry, for the youngsters - South Vietnamese Army). There may even have been others involved that I am not aware of.

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