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Hey, I need opinions on these cheap guns.

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by bcp280z, Jun 7, 2011.

  1. bcp280z

    bcp280z Well-Known Member

    So today I went to some gun shops I've yet to goto in my area, >40mi way because I couldn't find what I want in more local stores. One of them I felt good, some guys were handling a G21SF and couldn't understand why the grip was thinner, neither did the shop keep, made me happy explaining stuff to them, better than most stores that treat me rudely for being young.

    Anyway, I'm currently interested in fun guns in 32,9, and 38, and under $300

    They had a S&W M&P 38, looked old, like 70's or more, want to say 4in barrel for $289

    And a FEG Hi Power clone, but it seemed small, compact, not full size. Felt fine, came with one hi cap mag, no one knew capacity, and it was SA only. $299

    Next store had a CZ 70 for $289 a Tokegypt in 9mm which was fatter than this other Yugo Tokarev, both were $299

    So I know the 38 would be the most reliable, less parts to go wrong + S&W

    But the autos felt good, finish was worn but no rust, they were older/used. And I'm interested in 32acp, never shot one, but the posts yall make em sound fun.

    Can the 7.62 x 25 Tok eat 32acp? what about the CZ-70 And is the 9mm Tokegypt any good? Which Tok is better (higher quality/more reliable/easier to repair/find parts)

    Does the collective knowledge base here have first hand experience with any?

    And what's the difference in the Toks from various countries, quality? or diff parts?
    Last edited: Jun 7, 2011
  2. kozak6

    kozak6 Well-Known Member

    .32 acp and 7.62x25 are in no way interchangeable.

    The Tokegypt is very poorly regarded and should be avoided.
  3. Guillermo

    Guillermo member

    Not even a choice!!!

    M&P 38 is a great gun and by far the best gun on the list

    And that is a really good price
  4. bcp280z

    bcp280z Well-Known Member

    Bummer on the Tokegypt, I don't think you can get tokarev ammo in stores..

    The FEG HP clone kinda intrigues me, any info on that?

    otherwise yeah looks like i'll get that 38 if the HP's a dud
  5. Shadow 7D

    Shadow 7D Well-Known Member

    really My understanding is that the TokEgypt is one of the MORE collectable variations of the Tokarev

    As for interchangeability, YES, WITH AN ADAPTER, you can shoot .32 in a Tok chamber, but it's a WHY, even NEW ammo in Tok is cheaper than .32

    look at a EAA/Zastava M88
    or any of the cheapy tanfoglio type .32/.22 imported pocket guns, there are a number of names/brands they came in under. The CZ's and the FEGs are quality guns all the way.
    The FEG, is a straight clone, with almost 100% interchangeability (I think) also the Argentinian FM's too, except for certain commercial series.
  6. Paladin38-40

    Paladin38-40 Well-Known Member

    .32 ACP ammo is scarce and expensive compared to .38 special and 9mm.

    The S&W revolver excels for your purpose and if in excellent condition the price of right.
  7. mgmorden

    mgmorden Well-Known Member

    In your local department store? Nope. In gun stores yes, but it's sometimes priced a bit higher. If you mail order your ammo 7.62x25 is about the same cost as .32ACP.

    I know that's not what you want to hear (because there is some advantage to having quick ammo available - that's why I still prefer a gun in .380 over 9mm Makarov, though those are much closer in power), but it's not as if you wouldn't be able to shoot the gun at all.
  8. wally

    wally Well-Known Member

    With the FEG HiPower clone the devil is in the details. The true clone without the top rail is generally fine, although out of the box mine had a very heavy trigger. But for that price I'd save a little more and look for an FN HiPower (not to be confused with the FM HiPower which like the FEG is generally OK)
  9. jonnyc

    jonnyc Well-Known Member

    1. Wally is correct. If a true HP clone, great pistol.
    2. Tokagypt should be in 9mmP, not 7.62 Tokarev.
    3. They're all good pistols, and for $300 or less each, get them all.
  10. REAPER4206969

    REAPER4206969 Well-Known Member

    The CZ-70 is a superb pistol; and yes, it is chambered for .32 ACP.
  11. Cdigman

    Cdigman Well-Known Member

    May I recommend a CZ-82, chambered in 9mm Makarov, I think very highly of them, and would be well under the cost of those other firearms you are considering. Widener's has them for $200 including shipping, you just have to pay for the FFL transfer/background check. http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=100000116&dir=700|1012|1027 And if your heart is set on a 7.62x25 pistol, they also have the Yugoslavian M57 for $220. http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=100000100&dir=700|1012|1027
  12. Cards81fan

    Cards81fan Well-Known Member

  13. Nushif

    Nushif Well-Known Member

    I'd get the Tokagypt or the compacty HP. But that's me.
  14. aminyard

    aminyard Well-Known Member

    The S&W is the only quality, reliable weapon on your list.
  15. REAPER4206969

    REAPER4206969 Well-Known Member

    To suggest that a CZ is not quality or reliable is ill-informed.
  16. bcp280z

    bcp280z Well-Known Member

    I'm well informed on the CZ82 and CZ75, seems my LGS's like to jack up prices since they're popular at the moment.

    I know the Smith will give me no problems, it would be my 4th S&W, but the autos just have that allure. I'll probably end up getting the FEG and the Smith, but anyone have good thoughts aside from collector value on the Tok in 9?

    Good to know you can get the Tok rounds in gun shops, never really looked, the guns draw me to themselves instead. If 32's more expensive I'll back off for now.

    The Tokagypt is fine? I mean it looks "cooler" than the FEG
  17. bcp280z

    bcp280z Well-Known Member

  18. Nushif

    Nushif Well-Known Member

    Sounds like you're not so much interested in Fun Guns, tbh.

    Why are you going with an "old reliable" in that case? I thought I read in your thread you were looking for fun and cheap guns. And frankly I fail to see where a 70s run of the mill revolver fits that specific criteria.

    Any of the others are more exciting, more of a challenge and less common.
    My vote goes for an oddball BHP or a Tok knockoff for fun.

    If you want "just" another gun, go ahead and get the Smith ... But I guess your and my idea of fun are different then. 8)
  19. rellascout

    rellascout member

    SOG has FEG clones for $250. Not in this shape I am sure but they are the true BHP clones not the S&W hybrid.

  20. bcp280z

    bcp280z Well-Known Member

    Well, all guns are fun ;)

    But yes, I was trying to dig positive feedback for the Tok's and HP clone, they have that cool allure of automatics, but then again I'd like something more fun than my J frame in 38.

    Everyone's cool with the HP clone it seems, anybody care to elaborate on the poorly regarded Tokegypt?

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