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Careful there, shooting brother!
MC,My 4" Taurus 66 is superbly accurate with magnum loads OR .38. it's a favorite hiking gun of mine.
I own a 3" blued 66 that's a carry option that is quite accurate and a little M85SSUL, all good guns. I've sold a S&W 19 and traded off a Ruger Security Six that were not as accurate. The Taurus is a very tight gun, well made. Nuf said.
Bro,Careful there, shooting brother!
2Zulu,I guess I don't understand the reason for the thread. Are we talking about hiking (trail, with a hydration pack) or walking around town. A hiking stick is all that's needed for rattlers, snake gaiters come highly recommended.
A two finger grip, 25oz revolver in 357mag seems like a disaster waiting to happen when fast follow-up shots are required.
FWIW, feral dogs in Arizona are tested for plague and one tested positive last year, believe it was located above the Rim.
Big,No on the Charter Arms, Zsnark.
If there is a bottom-of-the-barrel, you'll find them down there.
Sounds like you know a whole lot more than you initially let on there "Dad" (I'm 57)
I know the country you are talking about. I have friends in Phoenix and Tucson and have shot a few rattlers out there, even eating them, so that's why I threw the "snake charmer" round idea in the first two cylinders out to you.
I'm just surprised that in your time you haven't held on to at least one wheelgun. Jeepers, but I have my Redhawk 44 that I bought in the mid 80's, and I pulled that one down on what I thought was a Grizzly up Montana way while on a hike (turned out to be Murph the slow Buffalo)
I understand what you are saying. While I haven't had a bear encounter, I've heard them huffing and I know of situations when they've been put down. One was a 150# blackie that had been hit by a car and it took all six shots of 357mag JHPs to put it out of its misery. Another was a young man hiking with his dog, dog was attacked by a blackie and that encounter took six hits of 41mag JHPs to save his dog.Northern Arizona can be a dangerous place, I know from experience. I've lived and hunted the Rim country for a long time. In all honesty, I have had numerous unsettling encounters with bears and cats (mountain lions). I've had bears fall out of trees right in front of me, I've had them come into varmint calls, and turkey calls. As for cats, I've only had 2 uncomfortable encounters, but both were such that I was pleased to have a 44 mag as my primary line of defense. So my personal carry gun while recreating in this country has been a 44 magnum, a Super Black Hawk. I'm sure a .357 mag will offer some line of defense, but bears are very difficult to stop when charging and can often times only be further infuriated by a wounding shot to the lungs, shoulder, or brisket.
While hunting bear, I once saw a 400 lb. black bear my buddy took with his .270 win in Sycamore canyon (N. Arizona) that had a 12 ga. slug in it's hip that had broken it, and then healed back up, and it also had a high powered rifle slug that had passed through the shoulder into the lung cavity and then stopped on the opposite shoulder blade. Both wounds were quite old, which may explain why this big old bruin was in such a terrible mood the day he dispatched it. My point being, bears are not easy to kill, so regardless of which cartridge you use as a defense, your still facing a predator that is vary difficult to stop with anything when they are charging.
GS
It's doubtful you'll run into a mountain lion or bear, but both live in the desert (one "s"). Because you don't see one of the big cats, or rattlesnakes for that matter, doesn't mean they aren't there. What do you actually see, or look for, while on your treks?2Zulu,
There ain't any forests where I live; but, it's not suburbs either. Mostly chapparal and other assorted dessert stuff. While I am smart enough to not mess with a rattler, Id like to be able to send him to his maker w/o getting real close and personal.
Actually since I left NYC a very long time ago I've never been in bear country. Maybe, a cougar, but I've never run into one.
Man, I'm too old for the wild outdoors! But, I try to stay in some kind of shape.
AAW
P.S. Not too long ago, I hiked in the mountains outside L.A. We were high up and ran into this gnarly looking dude who gave my buddy images of the movie "Deliverance". I was not worried 'cause I has my S&W snubby M66 in my pack.
Well, against the way I feel today, I won't lament at being "old"Big,
I don't know how I gave the impression that I ain't got any wheel guns. Got a 1873 Bisley clone in .357, a 6" M629, a 4" Python, a 6" M19, a 2 1/2" M66, and a Taurus 3" 94. The last one is the one I carry on my admittedly wuz hikes.
But, there is a good chance of a rattler, a lesser chance of a feral dog , and a remote chance of a cougar.
I like auto loaders best but they are too finicky for tasks where I'd like a snake round up first and either .357 or .38+P next.
P.S. Don't brag about your youth, Son; it ain't nice to remind guys like me. When I was 57 I thought I was ancient. But, I still could do almost everything I likes. The high 60s started to tell me the Grim Reaper was closing in.
2zulu1,
Thanks for the pictures. I have seen blackbear called in when we were looking for coyote. I have seen lion parralell a couple walking down an arroyo in daylight. Lion got abve them and stayed high in brush coming out to look every 25 to 50 yds. These people had ridden part way up the arroyo on a quad and were rockhounds, they had a bolt rifle but left it with the quad as being too heavy. my brother in law and I talked to them later and they had no clue about being stalked until we showed them the tracks.
For hiking a 357 wheel gun and a 357 rifle cover most things. Four wheel or horse back a shorty shotgun works pretty well.
blindhari
I'll make the distinction between hiking in venomous snake areas and living in areas where there's dense rattler populations, like Arizona. I've been hiking for over five decades and have yet to kill a rattler, those I've seen were simply moved well off the trail by using a hiking stick.I've spent a lot of time hiking around in "snake country". Mojave desert in California, Arizona, etc.
One word for you: boots.
Buy 'em. Wear 'em. If you have a revolver-sized pile of cash burning a hole in your pocket try these on: http://www.russellmoccasin.com/boots_snakeproof/snakeproof_bullhide.html
Unless you are hungry there is no good excuse for killing a rattlesnake while on a hike. They don't stalk you, they don't learn to associate humans with food and become a danger to the public. They aren't going to grab your pets and drag them into the brush for a meal. They pretty much don't do anything to hikers except help control the rodent population...unless you step on them, which isn't something you should be doing anyway. They just are like your average concealed carry gun owner...harmless, unless you start something. And, like concealed carry gun owners, the world is a better place if you leave 'em be.
Now that I've got that off my chest... I've only owned one Taurus, a semi-auto .45, and it wasn't reliable. I don't know if their revolvers would have the same sorts of problems but if given the choice between a Taurus 66 and S&W 10 for the same price, I'd probably take the 10. I have a Ruger Alaskan for that sort of use (hiking and general field carry) but it's heavy and 99% overkill.
If I was going for a Taurus revolver for the use you described I would try to find a 445. 22 ounces, 5 shots of 44 special (which would be better for shot capsule loads than .357), 2” barrel. That or a judge I guess.
I simply, and strongly, disagree with your assessment. Many people I know have had numerous rattlesnake encounters, haven't lost their hearing from gun blasts. Also, common sense dictates that those who have needed to dispatch rattlers are safer, including kids and grandkids, in comparison to giving rattlers the opportunity to strike again.I don't see the point of that distinction. I said "hiked" because the OP said "hiked" but I lived for years in the mojave and rattlesnakes were common. I don't have a snazzy picture but I once had a young rattlesnake take up residence literally on my doorstep...or under anyway. It was hiding under the steps.
The difference is that I just moved it away from the house. I never saw it again. Same thing when a California Kingsnake found its way into my bed one night...and no, that's not an entendre of any sort. Was I freaked out? You betcha. Did I kill it? Nope, I took it outside to play with the rattlesnakes.
None of 'em are my friends, and I don't care if they eat each other, but killing a snake really doesn't make you appreciably safer. The gun blast will do more harm to your hearing than the snake will do. I can see if you want to eat the thing but outside of that what do you gain?
As for pets, yeah, I had dogs and cats. One of the dogs got bit once. It survived. The only thing I know ever got a cat was a coyote.
I linked to those snake boots specifically because they were the price of a good revolver. I figured if someone was talking about guns for such a tenuously useful purpose as hiking snake defense it was because they secretly wanted to spend some money on a luxury and were looking for justification. That's usually how it goes. So I figured the OP had maybe $800 burning a hole in his pocket and was looking for the right luxury item. Those boots would count.
While lion attacks are extremely rare, it's very disconcerting when they show no fear of humans.
they had no clue about being stalked until we showed them the tracks.