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Hip shooting

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by shiftyer1, Jul 8, 2009.

  1. shiftyer1

    shiftyer1 Participating Member

    Jun 26, 2008
    central texas
    When I was a kid I deer hunted with an old man who shot his 12 ga from the hip. Tonite I watched bob mundon split a card in half with a handgun from the hip. Yes I understand how important careful aim is, but a practiced hip shot is aimed just not conventionaly.

    So my question is........would it be foolish to practice instinct shooting expecting chest sized hits or will that develop bad habits? I'm talking about 7-10 yards with a handgun. although I used to love to hip shoot coffee cans with a shotgun and shot as a kid. On the ground of course. Is this a bad idea if shooting for actual practice and not just burning powder?
  2. ants

    ants Senior Member

    Nov 24, 2007
    Self defense is always a series of personal choices. You make your own choice, and I make mine.

    In a self defense situation, especially if other persons and property are the backdrop, I need to know exactly where my projectiles are flying. That determines my personal choices.
  3. flipajig

    flipajig Active Member

    Mar 12, 2009
    Gods coununtry. IDAHO.
    I do pratice hip shooting in some of my pratice
    in some situations you will not have the room and its unpratical to fully extend to shoot with sights. but instead of out to 10 yds maybe out to 7 and thats about it.
  4. Tim the student

    Tim the student Senior Member

    Feb 1, 2009
    The only way I think it would be an sensible option, is if you didn't hip shoot, then the BG would be able to physically be on you and fighting.

    If there is room to extend and aim, why wouldnt you? I don't see the purpose to it if you have 7-10 yards, but you do what you feel is appropriate in that situation, and so will I.
  5. Regular Joe

    Regular Joe New Member

    Dec 14, 2008
    Las Vegas, NV
    There are some things I do just to see if it works. In the case of hip shooting, I don't bother. That's already been worked out, and I know I can, at short distance. One or two hip shots will do "something" while I'm getting better situated, or killed. If it helps, that's good. If I die, I don't care. Wyatt Earp was a terrible shot, but he knew to start shooting just as soon as your finger finds that trigger. Shoot first, while you're waiting to start thinking.
    You have 7~10 yards when you become aware that it would be a good thing to shoot. Bad guy is most likely to close that distance to zero in just about a second. SHOOT!!!!!!
  6. StrawHat

    StrawHat Senior Member

    Jan 28, 2007
    NE Ohio
    You don't have to fully extend your arms to use the sights on a handgun. Having both biceps on your chest leaves the sights usable. If you are shooting a 500 something, this is probably not the best stance.

    Regular Joe, Care to explain? He also wrote you should take your time...quickly, or words to that effect.
    Last edited: Jul 10, 2009
  7. JoeSlomo

    JoeSlomo Active Member

    Mar 25, 2008
    Practice and see what you can do.

    There are countless techniques used by many to hit what they are aiming at, some including use of the sights, some without.

    When it comes to reliably hitting what you need to hit, only YOU can determine what technique you need to use for a given target size and range.
  8. CoRoMo

    CoRoMo Mentor

    Sep 21, 2007
    Californicated Colorado
    Point shooting is an extremely useful option for SD. It's naive to believe that you will get a chance to line up a proper sight picture when you are forced to defend yourself.
  9. m_kirk2001

    m_kirk2001 New Member

    Jul 7, 2009
    Northern Arizona
    I have seen some of the demonstration shotgun shooters who are world class shoot clays from the hip and not missed a single one. Can't say that they are wasting their time developing bad habits. The biggest catch would probably be the sheer number of rounds and time that may be required to develop responsible habits in this arena which are most likely cost and time prohibitive for all but a few people.
  10. ezenbrowntown

    ezenbrowntown New Member

    Apr 9, 2008
    Central Texas
    Hip/point shooting is something I practice as part of my self defense tactics. Especially in the 3 to 5 yard range. Sometimes I do one, two or three shots from without actually "sighting" in the pistol. Sometimes I'll shoot once from the hip, then retreat while raising the pistol to use the sights and squeeze two COM and one in the head.

    While I believe accuracy and shot placement are most important, I feel that speed doesn't follow up to far behind them either.
  11. The Lone Haranguer

    The Lone Haranguer Elder

    Jul 30, 2006
    Johnson City, TN
    It has its place, but IMO not more than about three yards. Except at these very close ranges, even a coarsely aimed (e.g., Jim Cirillo's "Silhouette Point" technique) shot is about as fast and far more accurate. Only hits count, not only for stopping the attack, but for not hitting bystanders.
  12. BTR

    BTR Active Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    WWI era browning automatic rifle ammo belts actually had a metal cup built into them to put the buttstock when shooting from the hip.... I found it pretty suprising and interesting that it was actually sanctioned at one time in the military.
  13. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

    Sep 17, 2007
    Eastern KS
    "Marching Fire" as it was called, or shooting a BAR from the hip while advancing used to be U.S. Army doctrine.

    It still is in Russia.
    Soviet tactics involved dismounting from the BMP APC's at under 200 yards from the enemy line, then advancing with everyone shooting their AK's full-auto from the hip to keep the good guys under cover.

    As for the OP's question.
    Shooting from the hip with a handgun is a highly developed skill involving way more shooting then most of us have the time or money to perfect and keep well honed.

    I got really good at it when I was much younger, but I was shooting several hundred rounds a week practicing it.
    Once time & money constraints stopped the daily practice, the hip shooting accuracy quickly went really south in a hurry.

  14. grimjaw

    grimjaw Senior Member

    May 9, 2005
    I don't practice hip shooting with long guns although that's not because I'm against it. I do practice shooting from the hip and thereabout with handguns, if for no other reason than hopefully the muscle memory will get my offhand up on my chest and out of the way of the muzzle when it goes boom.

  15. John Wayne

    John Wayne Participating Member

    Dec 11, 2007
    I'm surprised no one has mentioned laser sights for this kind of practice.

    They will dramatically cut down on the number of rounds needed to become accurate, and allow you to actually see where your shot is going without lining up the sights. They are no substitute for regular practice with iron sights, and will not make up for shooter errors like jerking the trigger, but they are an extremely valuable training aid.

    Hip shooting is definately worth practicing as it may very well be your only option if you have to use your firearm.
  16. Madcap_Magician

    Madcap_Magician Participating Member

    Apr 8, 2009
    It still is. The manual of arms for my M249 and our M240s have a standard firing position for shooting from the hip while moving.
  17. .38 Special

    .38 Special Senior Member

    Sep 15, 2006
    Orange County, CA.
    I spent a year or so practicing fast draw and hip shooting with a Model 19, wax bullets, and a Jordan border patrol holster. I got reasonably fast and accurate, though Ol' Bill still would have killed me every time.

    But hitting from the hip at 7-10 yards takes time. You have to "feel" the gun and wiggle it around a little. It's almost certainly slower than aimed fire. In Jordan's book "No Second Place Winner" he specifically states that at that distance, fast shots from the hip are a poor practice. 7-10 feet is more like it. In that case, it's a worthwhile skill.
  18. 357mag.

    357mag. New Member

    Jun 22, 2009
    I practice shooting from the hip alot,but at very close range (2-6ft.)I also do most of my practice by "point shooting"because I feel sights are probley not going to be used in most self defence shooting's.That said,I still want my rounds to hit POA,even if I don't plan on useing them;)
  19. TooTaxed

    TooTaxed Participating Member

    Dec 31, 2002
    Columbus, Georgia
    I've sighted in my Crimson Trace laser grips so that where the bright red dot is, is exactly where the bullet hits...no need to raise the pistol or use the sights. Fine for dusk or night shooting...but worthless in good light.

    But it still takes a lot of practice on trigger pull for smoothness and assurance you will hit where desired! ESPECIALLY with my double-action only S&W Model 642 Airweight!!:banghead: That trigger pull is a Bitch!
  20. inSight-NEO

    inSight-NEO Active Member

    Nov 8, 2008
    I think "shooting from the hip" is certainly a technique that could be implemented into a "training" routine as a "traditional" sight picture may not always be available during an HD encounter. But, there are better solutions such as the "stress fire" technique (Massad Ayoob) which is essentially a hybrid of both point shooting and aimed fire.

    Regardless, in regards to hip shooting, I tend to favor the shotgun vs. the handgun as it seems to offer a more "natural" feel vs. the handgun, IMHO.

    With the handgun, I think that getting the front sight over the target, in the very least, is necessary for truly effective shooting... unless we are talking about handshake distance(s).

    Of course, as has been mentioned before, a laser sighting device could bridge this gap. But, such a device can open up a whole other can of worms...so to speak.
    Last edited: Jul 11, 2009

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