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Hornady Lock and Load doesn't Lock or Load!

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by Spartacus451, Feb 24, 2008.

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  1. Spartacus451

    Spartacus451 Well-Known Member

    I started using the CAPD (Case Activated Powder Die/Measure) today and found that the vibration of the powder measure working would consistently loosen the die bushing in the press. Eventually this leads to the bushing rising along with the CAPD and that produces a squib load. Luckily I caught it before endagering myself. I checked every station and found out that half of them had partially unlocked and were loose even when fully locked in.

    Has anyone else had this problem? Solutions? Thicker o-ring? Oversized die bushings? I really don't want to have to ship the press back...

    This is exactly what I have come to expect from the American firearm and reloading industry. I am so sick of buying guns and shooting related products that don't work. I hope they have good warranty service because lord knows I am going to need it. I bet they will make me go through two or three ineffective workarounds (SOP) before they actually replace frame with another equally sloppy one from the refurb pile.
  2. SASS#23149

    SASS#23149 Well-Known Member

  3. snuffy

    snuffy Well-Known Member

    CAPD Case Activated Powder Dispenser.
  4. Spartacus451

    Spartacus451 Well-Known Member

    Case Activated Powder Die/Measure. It slides up and down and weighs quite a bit. It has a rotating drum like the RCBS measure (not a sliding bar like the Dillon) and it is extremely tall.

    Additonally... they "lost" one of the UPCs for the bullet offer. I sent the UPC for the press and a set of dies taped to each other and they sent it back saying I hadn't included the UPC for the dies. The problem was that the UPC for the press they sent back was not the same one that I gave them! The UPC they sent back was attached to a different much thinner piece of cardboard. I sent it back with a letter of explanation a month ago and I still haven't heard back. None of this is promising.
  5. IMtheNRA

    IMtheNRA Well-Known Member

    My LNL AP came with four loose bushings, only station 1 locked the dies in place well. Hornady sent me four replacement bushings and only two of those are good. CAPD/M comes loose all the time. So does the expanding die. This, as well as several other problems are why the press is going back to Hornady in the morning.
  6. Otto

    Otto Well-Known Member

    The powder measure would back-out on mine as well.
    I used an over sized o-ring which corrected the problem.
    I haven't had any problems with the remaining bushings.
    Personally, I don't really care for the LNL bushing system.
    It takes me 6 seconds to remove a die from a conventional press.
    With the LNL it takes 2 seconds. So I save 4 seconds per die...big deal.
  7. pinkymingeo

    pinkymingeo Well-Known Member

    We just had a thread about this. Quality control on the bushings is crummy. A thicker O-ring, or (for me) second O-ring will solve your problem.
  8. DaveInFloweryBranchGA

    DaveInFloweryBranchGA Well-Known Member

    Sounds like either the female die bushing in your press is oversized or the male die bushing on your powder measure die is undersized. Evidentally they've gotten a run of out of spec bushings.

    You have two choices:

    1. Put a larger o-ring on the bushing. This works, but is probably not the best solution.

    2. Call Hornady and get them to send you whichever bushing is out of spec. I suspect they will have researched it by now and figured out where the problem lies and will know which one you need. Replace the problem bushing and check to see if the fit is now the proper tightness.

    Your problem should be solved.

  9. Spartacus451

    Spartacus451 Well-Known Member

    I bought a set of ten bushings with the press and I tried two of the unused spares with the powder measure and found that it didn't improve anything. Time to break out the calipers?

    I sent Hornady an email and will call if I don't get a response in the next couple of days.
  10. KeithB

    KeithB Well-Known Member

    My tool head never comes loose :D I looked long and hard at buying a LnL but those bushings concerned me.
  11. pinkymingeo

    pinkymingeo Well-Known Member

    It's not really a matter for concern, just part of the tweaking process. The male bushings seem pretty consistent, but there's a lot of variation in the females. O-rings provide locking tension in any case, and it's no big deal to go with a different O-ring to make things work right. Guys with other brands of presses face primer feed issues and powder drop inconsistencies. The only wide-spread gripe with the LnL is loose bushings, easily fixed for less than a buck.
  12. mrwilson

    mrwilson Active Member

    Try some teflon tape on the threads. Someone at GTR had the same problem and this fixed it.
  13. rino451

    rino451 Well-Known Member

    I have had the problem and my first squib ever. Luckily, the next round would not seat so no prob other that the inconvenience.

    I'm tempted to make some sort of locking piece that will lock each bushing to the next to prevent the unintentional rotation. It would make it more time consuming to change dies, but at least depths don't have to be redone everytime.
  14. Roccobro

    Roccobro Well-Known Member

    I think your comparison is missing the idea. Remember the additional minutes (and aggravation it might take) to re-setup the die for use without a bushing.

    The "big deal" is the bushing allows a 2 second re-insertion and your ready to rock-n-load again. :D

  15. Otto

    Otto Well-Known Member

    You can't "rock-n-load" if the bushings work loose. When you're forced to stop the reloading process and find a solution to a problem that shouldn't exist in the first place...you ain't saving time.
  16. Roccobro

    Roccobro Well-Known Member

    Sorry, that was what I was replying to, and that time saving effort was what the engineers at Hornady designed them for. Yes, you are correct in these few and rare occasions there are a problem. But in actual, non-problem arising use, the function of the bushings eliminating the need to "re-adjust" the dies, thus saving a whole lot of time when switching dies back and forth-especially in a single stage press. Come on, you know they are good at what they are designed to do. Please don't make me use any more commas in this post by countering a frustration induced mis-statement with another argument, please, , , ..! :D

  17. Otto

    Otto Well-Known Member

    No argument intended. But the LnL bushing system doesn't offer any substantial time savings. Screwing a conventional die in-and-out takes no time at all. Even on my single stage press, once my lock rings were set tight, there was never a re-setup of the dies. I could put a die in and out in 15 seconds.
    I believe the designers envisioned a way to "sell" more equipment, hence the LNL bushing system. The convenience of the LNL system is marginal, the expense of extra bushings is undeniable.
  18. jamz

    jamz Well-Known Member

    You could talk to Eddie Coyle on NES about it. He has one and loves it. He might have some pointers.
  19. PsychoKnight

    PsychoKnight Well-Known Member

    Just use a rubberband to keep the powder measure CAPD from rotating and popping out of the bushing.

    Hook it from the lower clamp ring to another die, or the mid-level case-feedre mechanism, if you have a case feeder.

    Its not a big deal, really. Yes, there should have been a detent or some kind of resistance built into the bushing to require extra effort to rotate the male bushing - that will be LnL version two.

    You have to realize the vision of the LnL was not just for the progressive AP press, but the single stage as well. Its a huge convenience for a single stage user to not have to spin out the dies between each process.

  20. Spartacus451

    Spartacus451 Well-Known Member

    Teflon tape did it. Rubber o-rings weren't in the ball park but the tape I could adjust for the wildly varying needs of each station. I kinda wish they had a place for me to wrench on the bushing so I could put more tape and really jam that sucker in there.
    Last edited: Feb 25, 2008
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