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How do they get caught?

Discussion in 'NFA Firearms and Accessories' started by Danb1215, Jul 18, 2011.

  1. Danb1215

    Danb1215 Well-Known Member

    Disclaimer: This topic is in no way is meant to advocate violating the National Firearms Act and is entirely academic.

    Question: How do people with illegal full auto weapons get caught? For the purpose of this discussion assume we're discussing an illegal mod and not just an unregistered manufactured auto as this would likely have a select fire switch that might raise questions and nullify this one.

    Example: Police pull over man with AR in his car. A lot of the time they don't even touch the gun, and when they do it pretty much never goes further than running the SN. So lets say the run the guys license, no warrants/non felon. They run the SN and the gun is not stolen. Lets also assume that the gun doesn't have a selector switch that raises questions. At this point I don't think it is plausible that the cop is gonna load up the gun and let a few go into the median to ensure that it is only firing one round per pull of the trigger.

    That's basically it, how do people get caught in these situations? I feel like I've heard about way more people being busted for unregistered SBSs than unregistered autos, but I don't know whether this is a function of the ease of the modification or a function of the difficulty of enforcement. The same question for the same reasons could essentially be applied to 922r compliance but we'll save that for another day.

    FIVETWOSEVEN Well-Known Member

    Act like idiots and bring them to a public range or shoot them where other people hear it and call the police.
  3. Danb1215

    Danb1215 Well-Known Member

    I knew I forgot something........my theories on how it happens, which you pretty much nailed five.
  4. dovedescending

    dovedescending Well-Known Member

    Yeah, you would have to get caught shooting it, or be reported to the ATF by somebody you bragged to.

    On a related note, I did have a deputy roll up one time to check on my friends and I... we had been unloading a Mini-14 with a 40 or 50 round magazine by pulling the trigger as fast as we could, and somebody thought they heard a machine gun...
  5. Danb1215

    Danb1215 Well-Known Member

    did he make an attempt to find out if the mini was full auto?
  6. Jim Watson

    Jim Watson Well-Known Member

    The only one I know of around here, the outgoing soon-to-be-ex wife in a contested divorce squealed on the guy.
  7. dovedescending

    dovedescending Well-Known Member

    No, actually, he made no attempt to verify whether or not it was automatic... he took our word for it... hmmm...
  8. MasterSergeantA

    MasterSergeantA Well-Known Member

    I agree with FIVETWOSEVEN and know of other cases that mirror what dovedescending said. Bragging to ANYONE about the illegal automatic weapon you built is a bad idea. Unhappy ex-wives (aren't they all?) can also be an issue.

    When I take my (legally registered) Class III toys to the local range, I always have a copy of my Forms 1 or 4 with me...just in case. I am less concerned about the steely-eyed ATF agent waiting to pounce on me than I am the slack-jawed local yokel who "knows" what is and isn't legal. A lot of police officers/sheriff's deputies I have met do NOT know that automatic weapons are still legal. And many don't know that silencers are either. The ATF guy will normally back off when the paperwork comes out.
  9. rocky branch

    rocky branch Well-Known Member

    Shooting off one's mouth and shooting off the piece are two biggies.

    Some country people ignore it if they know you or just report what they hear.
    You can hear these things for miles.
    Lots of people who don't know or consider their neighbors anymore.
  10. The Watchman

    The Watchman Well-Known Member

    Most likely Shooting it where someone will hear it and report it to the police. Once while shooting out on some property for a good uninterrupted 2+ hours, I decided to empty a 75 round drum from the AMD 65 with a basically flawless bumpfire..lol.. In about 10 minutes two cop cars pulled up. The only thing they asked was if everything was ok because they had "reports of automatic weapon fire." None of our rifles were inspected though.
  11. JVaughn

    JVaughn Well-Known Member

    This raises another question for me...
    why would anyone call the police if they saw someone shooting at a rifle range, or heard gunfire in the woods? Mind your own.
  12. wally

    wally Well-Known Member

    We were shooting my registered Thompson at a friend's farm before a bunch of people showed up for a large party. All the guns were put up well before the party started, I thought it funny how the neighbors were cool with fully automatic gun fire, but called the cops for rock'n'roll music! Cops never asked about guns, just made us move the music and dance floor inside.

    Ah, life in the country :)
    I'd leave the city in a heartbeat if my wife would let me!
  13. Danb1215

    Danb1215 Well-Known Member

    Because 98% of people have absolutely no concept of minding their own business (at least not all the time, they're happy not to get involved when that suits them) they know just whats best for everyone else and constantly need to make everyone else aware of this. Of course they almost always hang back and rely on public "servants" to make everyone else's lives as boring and sad as theirs, instead of doing it themselves. Rant completed.
    Last edited: Jul 18, 2011
  14. VP

    VP Well-Known Member

    I agree. People don't mind their own business. I live out in the country. I know a few of the deputies and 911 dispatchers out here and they told me how people call in all the time reporting any gunfire, especially on the 4th of July. Makes no sense.
  15. Geckgo

    Geckgo Well-Known Member

    Heard a story about a guy who was called in to the police for making his Thompson automatic by the person who showed him how. Allegedly the person showing him was with one DOJ branch or another, possibly a narc. Funny enough, if they never did it then they would not get in trouble for it :) That's just my theory, more focus on trying to repeal stupid laws and less focus on "workarounds".
  16. JTW Jr.

    JTW Jr. Well-Known Member

  17. GoingQuiet

    GoingQuiet Well-Known Member

    Allow me to tell you a story. I was at a friend's graduation party and we had all gone out for drinks. Someone at the bar asked me what I did - since I was wearing my Glock shirt.

    I said I'm a gun dealer. The following statement was then asked to me.

    "Hey, you know how to make anything full auto? Cause I got friends out in Texas and Arizona that will pay TOP DOLLAR (emphasis his) for you to put something like that together. They got a war going on down there you know."

    So I said: "Sure, for the right amount of money I'll make it legal."

    "Oh really? Well I got an AR15, about how much would it cost for you to do something like that?"

    "About fifteen."

    "Oh, I don't think they'd be willing to spend fifteen hundred a gun to make it full auto"

    "Well that makes it tough because to do that I'd need about fifteen thousand - per gun"

    "Oh pfft, they're not gonna want a legal one. So you still wanna do it?"

    Did that answer your question OP?
  18. Steve C

    Steve C Well-Known Member

    People who ignore gun laws generally ignore most other laws that don't suit them too. So when they get picked up for narcotics, theft, and other crimes their guns get rounded up and checked.

    Growing up I lived in a relatively small community that was adjacent to the State Capitol. At that time my town had about 7K, there was about 24K in the capital city and 14K in another adjoining town. The town chief of police was one of my neighbors and talking to him one time about guns he said that they picked up a fully auto about once a month. Most of them he noted where stolen from the military or national guard armories. He also commented that there was probably 10 illegal FA's out there for every one legal one.
  19. sarduy

    sarduy Well-Known Member

    this reminds me of a day at a local gun range, which a lot of police use. I was shooting my ak74 while i decide to practice bump fire from the shoulder after i finish my first mag,a cop next to me just ask "is that auto?" so i quickly reply with a smile on my face "nop... just bumpfire" and that was it...
  20. hq

    hq Well-Known Member

    I used to get that a lot. When my neighbors hear anything going full auto, they're likely to show up and ask if they can shoot too. They're totally cool with it, but every time I drag the large speakers out for an evening BBQ, sooner or later someone's bound to call the cops. I'm getting a bit old to have loud late-night parties so frequent visits by the cops are pretty much a thing of the past.

    Then again, having legal full auto guns just might be a way to get away with illegal ones as long as firing has only been heard and not seen... Definitely not worth the risk, of course.

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