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How do you recover?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Johnnyb8612, Jun 3, 2011.

  1. Johnnyb8612

    Johnnyb8612 New Member

    Jan 7, 2011
    Ozark, MO
    When I think about this, I start shaking all over again. I'm hoping some people will have tips on how to put this behind me.

    I bought a surplus Cz-82 a while back in bad shape, and my dad and I made it our summer project to restore it. We took it completely apart, new spring kit, stripped and blued it, wooden grips, etc. It is now a sweet shooter. It is also my current nightstand gun, so it stays loaded with one in the chamber and the hammer down. It was, however, having some subtle trigger differences since I bought it, so sometimes I unload it and test the function. This time, I broke my own rules and did not remember to unload the gun before testing the trigger. The bullet (Hornady XTP, 95 gr) went through the wall of my living room, and lodged itself in our neighbors' (who are our relatives) Suburban, near where the windshield meets the hood. Nobody was in the vehicle, and nobody was injured. I ran out immediately to make sure everyone was ok, and apologized until I was hoarse. Our neighbors (aunt and uncle) have a son in law who is with the local Police Dept, so we called him and he said that a police report wasn't necessary, we just had to deal with the insurance for the Suburban. Our relatives/neighbors weren't angry, and simply thought it was amusing, unlike me.

    Now, I consider myself to be a very decent picture of firearm safety. I am the guy that goes to the LGS and says, 'please put your finger in the chamber and show me that it's not loaded before you hand it to me.' I have never done something I consider unsafe with a gun. Now this happens. I can look back and trace every rule that I broke to get to the point of shooting a hole in my wall, but that doesn't change the fact that I made this mistake. I realize that I'm incredibly lucky that I'm paying for a hole in a car and not a funeral, and I take full responsibility for what happened. I love shooting, it gives me satisfaction, and is a skill I value. Please, I need advice on how to get over this incident so I can move on and continue to enjoy firearms and shooting them. I appreciate everyone here on THR, I value the opinions of those here wiser than I, and I've learned much.

    Thank you
  2. ObsidianOne

    ObsidianOne Active Member

    Dec 16, 2010
    Lake Havasu City, AZ
    You made a mistake. You're human.
    You're also pretty lucky, remember how terrible this memory is when you handle a firearm in the future and I promise you'll never forget.
    Glad you and everyone else are safe (aside from your pride :p)
  3. jon86

    jon86 Active Member

    Feb 14, 2010
    I've never had a ND so I don't know. But you already realize the severity of the mistake. I'll let you in on a little secret. You'll make more mistakes. Learn from it and move on. Thank you for your honesty.

    Also of course I'm glad it turned out ok.
  4. kis2

    kis2 Active Member

    Jun 16, 2006
    Maybe it's not something to necessarily get over, but rather a reminder to be vigilant on the safety rules you know.

    They say in motorcycle riding, there are those that have fallen, and those that will. You still pick your bike up and keep riding. You just do so with a renewed sense of caution.

    Don't let it destroy your passion (everyone is human), just give it time.

    Best wishes
  5. PTT

    PTT New Member

    Mar 2, 2011
    Safety is more about attitude than rules. Sounds like you had an attitude-improving experience.
  6. BIGGBAY90

    BIGGBAY90 Member

    Oct 1, 2010
    Consider all guns are loaded-- rack,look at chamber, rack again,look again. Mistake happens and with guns it can be very costly, but thank god no one got hurt. Be safe and it will probably never happen to you again.
    take another safety course

    How do you recover-----WITH TIME
  7. Old Shooter
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    Old Shooter Participating Member

    Feb 10, 2010
    If that LGS sales person sees this posting and knows it's you, you'll never hear the end of it.

    Glad it all worked out to the good, now you know you are mortal just like the rest of us. Things like this kind of make me think of AD's and ND's in a different light.
  8. Owen Sparks

    Owen Sparks member

    May 27, 2007
    Why would you choose to involve the police?
  9. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

    Jan 3, 2003
    0 hrs east of TN
    No, it wasn't a "mistake". It was negligence.

    Trying to relieve someone of the personal responsibility of an incident that could have resulted in a fatality doesn't do anyone any good.

    You became complacent and as a result a negligent discharge occurred that could have injured or killed someone.

    Take it as seriously as it was. Amend your behavior based on this failure. Put controls in place to prevent this recurring.

    Either never practice dry firing ever again OR put some other controls in place so that a negligent discharge won't ever occur again or that it won't go where you don't want it to go.

    You can get a 5 gallon bucket of sand and only dry fire into it. This will prevent a negligent discharge from ever escaping the house.

    You and follow a protocol of sticking your little finger into the chamber as well as visually checking it before dry firing without a magazine.

    By taking personal responsibility for the incident and then establishing controls to prevent it from happening you can "move on".
  10. Johnnyb8612

    Johnnyb8612 New Member

    Jan 7, 2011
    Ozark, MO
    We live in the middle of town, with neighbors around, and 'involving the Police' was us checking with my uncle (the LEO), to get his opinion. I realize that this was a very serious incident, like I said, I take full responsibility for my negligence.
  11. LDNN

    LDNN New Member

    Feb 26, 2011
    Houston, TX
    Thank God no one was injured and thank you for posting it and help reminding all of us that it could happen to anybody and with much worse consequences. When I was on my ship a guy in my division was killed due to an ND. As his Division Officer I, and my Chief Engineer, had to go to the morgue in Norfolk, VA to identify the body. I still think of that incident now and then when I handle my weapons.
  12. wrs840

    wrs840 Participating Member

    Oct 18, 2008
    Brushy Mts, NC, growing feed-crops /BioFuel fodder
    My 9 year old daughter likes me to give her a guided show-and-tell through my gun safe occasionally. She's interested, and I like that. She shoots a Daisy and a .22 and knows the rules. A couple weeks ago we were going through this exercise and I handed her a .40 auto without checking it (stupid). She handed it back to me and asked me to open the slide (smarter than dad). I did, and a live round ejected. She and I both knew that daddy had just screwed up big time, and I'll never forget it, and I suspect she won't either. Protocol lapses can and probably will eventually happen. Just always, always, watch your muzzle direction.
  13. Onward Allusion

    Onward Allusion Senior Member

    Mar 22, 2009
    IN between
    Crap like this does happen, be thankful that no person was hurt. Learn from it and be extra careful moving forward. Also, sticking around here and hearing about other people's ADs/NDs will keep you on your toes, at least it does for me.
  14. Claude Clay

    Claude Clay Senior Member

    Mar 6, 2007
    a gun goes off cause someone intend it to or they were negligent, careless, ignorant or did something stupid

    harsh...just as harsh as the almost that happened--a unintended death

    the good part is, all this can be rectified
    so long as you can get away from the concept that 'things happen', 'mistakes happen', 'your only human'. guns are special machines in that they have no reset or cancel capabilities. unlike air bags in a car there is no recall for a bullet.
    i could go on for pages as a 1st one on one class is 3.5 hours to impart safe handling and the why & how a gun works. knowing the innards of your gun empowers you--you KNOW why it works and have a deeper respect for the machine.

    for you i suggest finding a local instructor who is known for his insightful nature--and knowledge. take a short time out from the guns while you find this person and rediscover your confidence along with your new knowledge.
    good luck to you
  15. VA27

    VA27 Participating Member

    Jun 5, 2006
    Slovenly Manor, Dungheap-Upon-The-Hill
    Shouldn't take more than a coupla years for the nightmares to stop, though you'll still have the occasional flashback.

    Some especially safety-conscious people have a difficult time getting over something like this.

    The first step on the road to recovery is to stop busting the chops of the folks in the LGS.

    You can 'what if' yourself into a nervous breakdown, or you can choose to never, ever forget a lesson hard learned and let the 4 rules be your mantra.
  16. Yukonstorm

    Yukonstorm New Member

    Feb 19, 2006
    Yes, you are human, and you made a horrific mistake. That mistake could have taken the life of another human. If you feel at this time your not comfortable with a firearm, unload it, and lock it up. There is absolutely no room for a second mistake.
  17. InkEd

    InkEd Senior Member

    Oct 16, 2009
    Parts Unknown
    It was an accident. Everyone is okay. Pay for the vehicle to get repaired. Lesson learned. Don't let it happen again. Move on and stay safe.
  18. rhodco

    rhodco New Member

    Jun 19, 2010
    I had an AD once. Fortunately, I am in the good habit of always pointing the muzzle in a safe direction so the bullet simply went into the dirt. Aside from some powder burns on the web of my hand, no harm was done.

    If you have an AD and the bullet actually destroyed something. You actually made two mistakes, not one.

    All guns are loaded.
    Finger off the trigger
    Muzzle always pointed in safe direction.

    Say this over and over until you obey it without even thinking otherwise. It must become more than a good idea, it must become an ingrained habit.
  19. Snowdog

    Snowdog Senior Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    Hendersonville, WNC
    Well, at least you now know first hand why some folks are wary of centerfire rifles for home defense. Unfortunately, just about anything that has the potential to punch through an assailant has the potential to exit your home and enter another.

    This is the primary reason my first go-to long gun is a 12 gauge with #4 buck. It will certainly punch through a wall or two, but from most angles within my home, I don't see any pellets leaving the house.

    A very sobering experience, I'm sure.
  20. LJ-MosinFreak-Buck

    LJ-MosinFreak-Buck Senior Member

    May 19, 2008
    Council Bluffs, Iowa
    I've had this happen to me too, with my brother in the room. I'm glad I wasn't pointing it anywhere near him. I was practicing my draw from shoulder hoster and forgot to clear the chamber after dropping the mag. Round went into ceiling at an angle, hit the upstairs floor boards, and ricocheted down into the laundry room, where I collected the slug. I still have it to remind me how... stupid... I was and it will be my token to never let that happen again.

    It takes time go get over something like that. I still shiver when I think about it, but take it as a learning experience. You are right, at least you're paying for repairs instead of a funeral. It'll ease with time.

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