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How Firearm Incidents are Reported by The Media

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Newton, Jul 4, 2003.

  1. Newton

    Newton Well-Known Member

    On this weeks local news, a Baltimore resident was shown being arrested on firearms charges - allegedly, he had been illegally manufacturing rifles in the basement of his row home.

    The commentary ran something like this :

    "Police arrested a male Baltimore resident today on suspicion of committing several firearms related offences, including the illegal manufacture of rifles. Police seized large amounts of highly explosive ammunition components, an official stated that there was sufficient material to blow up the entire neighborhood. Police also removed ammunition making equipment and several bags of firearms components. Local residents were said to be shocked that such a thing could happen in their neighborhood. A police official was quoted as saying that the arrested individual was also suspected of having links to White Supremacist groups"

    Is it me, or is there a "tone" present in all these reports.

  2. BowStreetRunner

    BowStreetRunner Well-Known Member

    ill betcha the media prob'ly thinks everyone on The High Road is a redneck anti govt white supremacist
    that is if they knew we existed
    the media has to make it sound sensational....and if the truth suffers...so e it......(to them)
    besides.....anyone who would make a gun MUST be a white supremacist redneck anyway...i mean, who needs a gun
  3. P95Carry

    P95Carry Moderator Emeritus

    Everything seems so geared these days towards ''anti'' that not only does accuracy suffer, so does truth. It would appear that max shock value is the usual goal ... by use of buzz words such as ''high power'', high explosive'', assault'', arsenal, illegal, large amounts, people shocked, and many more.

    For the most part these terms are used in an exaggerative manner or even totally inaccurately ...... the quest for the latter being all but non-existent ...... sensationalism being the prime objective.

    It is sad indeed as well as angering, to see the bias so blatently shown ...... when with a small injection even of some balance, there are probably many people out there who might just ask a few more questions and also get a more balanced perspective on firearms ownership as a whole.
  4. 12 Volt Man

    12 Volt Man Well-Known Member

    It seems like before the real story comes out, it was always an "AK-47 Automatic Assault Rifle". Then we find out it was some guys shotgun.
  5. BerettaNut92

    BerettaNut92 Well-Known Member

    Gotta give 'em credit, at least they weren't high-powered assault rifles. :banghead:
  6. Jay Bakerr

    Jay Bakerr Member

    If you don't understand anything else, understand this: The media, meaning teeeeveee, newspapers, movies, magazines, are all owned and controlled by the Marxist Socialists. They seek one thing and one thing only, the total destruction of the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights, individual Rights, Freedom and Liberty, and the institution of their Great, Brave New Marxist Socialist Police State Utopia.

    Therefore, all guns have to go. Demonization of all gunowners, turning them/us into "vermin" means we can someday -- soon, they hope -- be "exterminated." Afterall, isn't that what we do with "filthy vermin"???

    It's really just that simple, and their Grand Plan has been being put into place for the past 90 years.

  7. Waitone

    Waitone Well-Known Member

    Reads to me like semi-keestered journalism. Serial assertions bordering on hearsay.

    Please follow the story and post when details are develop.
  8. Newton

    Newton Well-Known Member

  9. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    Nope, it's not you. That's plain old-fashioned anti-Second Amendment bigotry in action.
  10. Combat-wombat

    Combat-wombat Well-Known Member

    Highly explosive ammunition components? Do they mean blackpowder and reloading equipment?
  11. NewsShooter

    NewsShooter member

    Therefore, all guns have to go. Demonization of all gunowners, turning them/us into "vermin" means we can someday -- soon, they hope -- be "exterminated." Afterall, isn't that what we do with "filthy vermin"???

    :banghead: Mr Bakerr,
    You sound like you have been listening to the short wave again.
    My question to you is: what militia group are you a member of and where do you people come up with this crap???:cuss:
  12. Politically Incorrect

    Politically Incorrect Well-Known Member

    I work for a tv news station. And it's not so much anti-Second Amendment, but as was pointed out, it is sensational. TV News looks for drama in a story.

    Just as the old saying goes, "If it bleeds, it leads."
  13. clem

    clem Well-Known Member

    "Police seized large amounts of highly explosive ammunition components, an official stated that there was sufficient material to blow up the entire neighborhood."

    Wow! There must of been a tractor trailer load of black powder in the residence. :D
  14. Justin

    Justin Moderator Staff Member


    I work in television. I have yet to find a copy of the 'Evil Marxist Overlord's Guide to Dominating the USA Through the Media' laying on the program director's desk. News reporters and producers are critical of guns and gun owners for one very simple reason: ignorance. They simply don't know any better. As such, I have a couple of reporters who I consider friends and they have all expressed surprise at my owning of guns. As one friend put it, "You're normal, all of the gunowners I've met have all been freaky."

    Guess what?

    Posting ignorant drivel about Marxist conspiracy theories on the internet is one of the things that causes reporters and others to look at the gun culture and think we're a bunch of back-woods idjits who are still waiting for the Y2K bug to kick in.

    I'm sick and tired of having to explain that the conspiracy nuts and morons whose tin-foil beanie is obviously on so tight that it's constricting blood flow to their brains are not representative of the typical American gun owner.

  15. Waitone

    Waitone Well-Known Member

    I must agree there is ignorance in the media about guns, the gun culture, and civil rights associated with the Second Amendment. I also agree those who wear tin foil hats do the movement no good.

    That said, every movement has its extremes. Every facet of life has it extremes. It is in my view the job of the media to ignore the extremes yet that seems to be where it gravitates. "If it bleeds, it leads." There is a station here in my city that broadcasts nothing but blood, fire, and gore. And that is called responsible journalism.

    Another factor which must be addressed is the phenonomon of deliberately imposed ignorance. Caused by what? How 'bout editorial policy which mandate nothing positive about firearms ever makes it to the air? How 'bout "journalists" who literally fear the NRA AND WILL NOT PICK UP THE FREAKIN' PHONE and get a comment. Or how 'bout the "journalist" who feels it acceptable to go to an anti-gun group to get the NRA's position on an issue. Or how 'bout the "journalist" who writes a piece (and passes muster with the editor) chocked full of factually incorrect statements, yet it gets passed as fact. Or how 'bout (my personal favorite) the reportage of a shooting that deliberately omits any reference to the use of firearms in the stopping of it.

    Yep, you're correct when you chastise the tin foil hat brigade. But is seems to me "journalism" needs to clean it own skirts.
  16. jdkelly

    jdkelly Well-Known Member

    The Media Has To Start Being Honest!


    Like you, I believe most news stories, that are reported incorrectly, are done so out of ignorance on the subject matter. But I also believe that the need to increase viewer ship, personal bias and the lack of time to accurately report the "facts" are also contributing factors. Errors reported in the news, that boost ratings, are unlikely to be corrected.

    That’s how an apartment that home made fireworks were produced in, becomes a “BOMB FACTORYâ€. That’s how a rifle that shoots 22lr becomes a “SNIPER WEAPONâ€. That’s how a rifle that shoots a round too weak to be used as a deer cartridge in most states can be labeled a “HIGH POWERED†rifle. That’s how a collection of old bolt action rifles can be come a “Military Weapons Cacheâ€. That’s how a shotgun with a twenty-eight inch barrel and pistol stock becomes a sawed off shotgun.

    It’s the fact that the information is incorrect, misleading, and damaging to we gun people, while benefiting those that are lying (and lack of intrest in reporting accurate facts is lying), which feed the “conspiracy nutsâ€.

    If your friends are biased enough to think all gun people are not normal, what makes you think the gun people will trust your friends (and their friends), when they are so often wrong in a damaging way?


  17. Hkmp5sd

    Hkmp5sd Well-Known Member

    I don't work in television or any other media outlet, but I do believe there is a concerted effort by some in the media to use the "news" in an effort to influence the viewpoint of the average citizen.

    By having no first hand knowledge, I'm limited in gaining information from books. Of those, the most recent ones I believe to be truthful and accurate are...

    Off With Their Heads: Traitors, Crooks & Obstructionists in American Politics, Media and Business by Dick Morris.

    The Death of Right and Wrong: Exposing the Left's Assault on Our Culture and Values by Tammy Bruce.

    Slander: Liberal Lies About the American Right by Ann Coulter.

    Treason: Liberal Treachery From the Cold War to the War on Terrorism by Ann Coulter

    BIAS: A CBS Insider Exposes How the Media Distort the News by Bernard Goldberg.

    To head off any accusations I only read one side of the issue, I have also read the most recent additions to modern fantasy fiction...

    Living History by Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    The Clinton Wars by Sidney Blumenthal.

    Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix by J.K. Rowling.
  18. Jay Bakerr

    Jay Bakerr Member

    NewsShooter, you advertise your supreme stupidity with that diatribe against me. We're ALL in the militia, which proves you've never bothered to read the Second Amendment, or, if you have, you are totally incapable of comprehending it. Nor, do you know the definition of "militia," other than what your left wing masters in the media have defined for you.

    Groups?? I belong to none, other than the NRA... and having been a member of that "militia group" since 1951, have seen the deliberate demonization of gun owners, by the media, over a long period of time.

    This was accelerated in late 1963, after President Kennedy was assassinated, and has been increasing at an increasing rate, ever since. Even then, the media began a feeding frenzy against "gunowners", blaming us for Kennedy's death. Where do I come up with "this stuff?" You ignorant bliss ninny. I've not only watched it happen for 40 years, I've studied Marx and Lenin (and I don't mean "Groucho" & "John"), and know how the Marxist doctrine is used to manipulate people. The brainwashing propaganda comes from the media, and the education system, mainly.

    (After the Berlin Wall came down, and many were crying "Communism is Dead, hoorah!" the L.A. Times (better known as Pravda West), interviewed a Stanford Professor of Sociology (what else?), who stated that he was a card carrying member of the Communist Party, along with another 10,000 U.S. professors at universites and colleges, and that the Soviets didn't do it right. When the American Communists finally took over, they'd "do it right", in the U.S.)

    As for shortwave, I haven't played around with that since I was in the U.S. Army, and that was a loooongg time ago. I like the "oldies-but-goldies" on AM. Should I get a SW?? You probably know which ones are best.

    I find it interesting that you, and your soulmate in ignorance, Justin, have no comprehension how this orchestrated demonization has taken place. Today, most Marxist Socialist inspired people call themselves "progressives" (a word straight from V.I. Lenin, one he (and Stalin) used to describe those in accordance with his and his good buddy, Karl's, doctrine. One of the tactics of international communist progression, was to eventually control the media.

    You oughta take some time off from fawning over the New York Times, L.A. Times, and their ilk, and listening to the blather of that admitted Progressive Socialist Democrat Walter Cronkite (and his little anchor sycophants on the networks) who stated in a long feature piece in the L.A. Times, if he were President, he'd institute a Communist Government and use the U.S. Military to confiscate every gun in the U.S. Then read Marx, Lenin, and Mao. Might give you more than just a usual education.

    Just for cheets & grins, you two denialists might also read, among other things, "The Sword and The Shield, The Mitrokhin Archive And The Secret History Of The KGB, by Christorpher Andrew and Vasili Mitrokhin." Yeah, yeah, I know, he was just another tin hat conspiracy freak... except, Mitrokhin was a KGB Colonel for many years, and was as inside the communist movement as one can get, and details the infiltration of the American media by the Marxists. Or, read the book, "Radical Son," by David Horowitz, a former communist radical, son of American Communists. Read James Bovard's "Lost Rights." Or, "Treason," and "Slander" by Ann Coulter. Or any number of books that have been written about the takeover of the media by the American "progressives."

    But, I know you won't. Ignorance is bliss, so you'lll just meander along, thinking the only reason your "good buddies" in the media continue with their "verminization" of YOU, as gunowners, is that they're just not well informed enough about firearms, for if they were, they would not lie consisitently about them and honest gunowners. Their brainwashing propaganda is there for a purpose, although you're too enamoured with your own "tight knit community of media members" to admit it.

    And, as for you, Justin, being "in the teeeveee medium," and therefore ohhh sooo well informed... if you wanna meet some real, heavy duty communists "in the media", I could introduce you to quite a few I know in Hollywood. You see, you smug little "medium member," I've been in the teeeeveee/movie racket for PROBABLY, more years than you and NewsShooter put together. (Try since 1963.)

    So, if you two naive, foolish, arrogant, holier-than-thou know-nothings wanna keep up with your juvenile insults, just include me in -- to paraphrase Sam Goldwyn. I'll come along for the ride.

  19. gbelleh

    gbelleh Well-Known Member


    I've noticed something about perceptions of the media...

    For every person I hear complaining about the liberal media and their socialist agenda, etc. I've heard an equal number of liberals complaining about the conservative media run by right wing, evil Republican corporations skewing the news to make Bush look like a saint and going out of their way to demonize the Clintons or any other Democrat.
  20. ACP

    ACP Well-Known Member

    Jay Bakerr -- I'm an associate editor at a mid-sized newpaper in a mid-sized state. So there goes your argument.

    I find most reporters -- even ones that are intelligent otherwise - are completely stupid when it comes to guns. I believe most reporters have a liberal or slightly left-of-center bias on sopcial issues, and that any interest in guns has been relegated to that small, dark corner in their minds set aside for other "bad" things.

    I just complained to an associate Thursday evening about an Associated Press report in which the reporter described the capture of some high-powered (there's that word again) rifles in a city apartment -- "powerful enough to shoot through a wall," the reporter wrote. Of course, hammers can go through walls, as can the occaisional fist.

    And re: the media wanting to take over the world... I'll be happy to talk about this at length on this forum, but not tonight, as it's bedtime for my infant daughter. But let me just say that most "media" outlets are owned by corporations that seek one thing: more money. And it doesn't make any difference if it's reality shows or game shows or soap operas or conservative talk shows or violent police dramas -- if there's an audience and it will make a buck, so be it. And the line between news and adversiting is all but gone.

    That does not, IMHO, represent some liberal/socialist/call it what you will agenda to rule the world. If it was, how do you explain Fox, the Wall Street Journal, Rush Limbaugh, etc. etc.?

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