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How is this possible? Hole in the barrel!

Discussion in 'Gunsmithing and Repairs' started by nwilliams, Mar 25, 2013.

  1. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

    I say again:
  2. adelbridge

    adelbridge Well-Known Member

    the copper on the entry is the exact same color as the copper streaks in the grooves. Was there any bore damage opposite the entry wound?
    Last edited: Mar 27, 2013
  3. Arkansas Paul

    Arkansas Paul Well-Known Member

    This is my comment from my first post, but looking more clearly, there only appears to be one hole. I thought I was seeing the woodgrain in photo 2 but it appears to be rifling. My bad. I still think it's a bullet hole though.
  4. Carl N. Brown

    Carl N. Brown Well-Known Member

    Clarke likes to test firearms to the bursting point and has seen a few deliberate ka-booms; it would be inetresting to see his opinion.
  5. Cosmoline

    Cosmoline Well-Known Member

    It really looks like a bullet hole to me. I wonder what's on the opposite side. Perhaps a slight indent? Bullet fragments probably fell out after that. Wild. And spooky. I've seen similar holes in rifles from WW1
  6. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

    A matching dent in the bore I keep saying!

    Second picture in the OP.

  7. Carl N. Brown

    Carl N. Brown Well-Known Member

    I just went out and checked my pistol swinger target (which has been cratered but not penetrated by .357 from from a carbine and a couple of 7,62x39mm. Yep, I am accepting the theory that hole in the barrel is the result of a high velocity round. Truly a rare occurrance and a puzzler.
  8. Cosmoline

    Cosmoline Well-Known Member

    Has the fellow made any governments angry lately?

    I was talking about the exterior of the barrel opposite, to see if you could detect a dimple.
  9. Dentite

    Dentite Well-Known Member

    A couple considerations for those who say the barrel was shot with another rifle.

    If so, where is the bullet? If the bullet didn't go through the other side, wouldn't you expect it to be lodged in the barrel? If the bullet did penetrate the barrel wouldn't you expect an exit hole, or a bulge or at least visible damage on the other side of the barrel? The second picture looks like normal rifling through the hole.

    Second of all I have shot a bit of steel...mild steel, AR500, etc. While I have never shot a rifle barrel, I have shot some rebar and due to the round shape the rounds are deflected to one side or the other. It's almost impossible to hit so dead center that the round wouldn't deflect from one side or the other from a hardened steel rifle barrel.

    And while rounds can keyhole, every bullet hole I've seen in steel that goes all the way through is perfectly round. That hole is not round.

    Not saying I have all the answers but if in fact the rife was shot with another rifle then you have to agree that:

    1. The owner is a liar (possible)
    2. The bullet was somehow removed from the barrel after impact (possible but harder than lying).
    3. That the stars aligned allowing a dead center hit from a rifle without deflection, and then after penetrating the first side of the barrel it stops and doesn't cause any visible damage on the opposite side of the barrel (all but impossible odds).

    I don't think it's generally a good idea to disagree with rcmodel but I just think it would be nearly impossible for this to happen.

    Do any of you really think you could replicate this easily? Who has an shot-out barrel that they are willing to go test? I'm serious...I would love to see someone replicate this.

    I don't have all the answers as to why and how this happened...I'm just very skeptical it was shot with another rifle.
  10. 25cschaefer

    25cschaefer Well-Known Member

    I have a few old Mauser barrels and a friend with some v-max .223 rounds, next time we go out I will test this and update this thread. I don't know when but maybe this week since it's spring break and all. I think RC is right, the hole is oblong because the barrel is round and there is not bullet because it was high velocity and fragmented upon impact. I have shot 1/4" steel plate with milk jugs behind that suffered very minor damage from fragments.
  11. Jim K

    Jim K Well-Known Member

    Aside from what actually caused the hole, does anyone else see what looks like two layers in there? There seems to be top layer of shiny stainless steel then a second level of darker metal, with a fairly clear dividing line between them. Is it a composite barrel of some kind or are my eyes playing tricks?

  12. JRH6856

    JRH6856 Well-Known Member

    I noticed that too, Jim K, but I think it is just the way the light is reflecting off the edges of the hole.
  13. ApacheCoTodd

    ApacheCoTodd Well-Known Member

    RC - I kep looking and I keep not seeing it in this photo, especially given the angle.
  14. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

    This dent in the opposite barrel wall:


    Most of the remains of the vaporized bullet blew out through the muzzle, and if the rifle bolt was open, or opened later, the rest of it fell out through the action.

    And as I mentioned in post #5, I have actually seen the exact same damage done on a Winchester Model 52 target rifle as a result of a ND in a gunsmiths shop many years ago.

    Last edited: Mar 28, 2013
  15. BBBBill

    BBBBill Well-Known Member

    The marks around the lip of the hole appear to be the mirror image of the rifling marks that would be engraved on a fired projectile. Hard to imagine that a softer projectile could transfer those rifling marks into the harder barrel metal, but there it is.....
  16. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

    30-06 hole in 2 Pounder cannon shell at 100 yards.
    It went in one side and left a very small dent inside on the other side.


    22-250 hole in Georges head at 100 yards.

    I imagine the stainless steel of the Tikka barrel would react similarly but differently.

    Last edited: Mar 28, 2013
  17. 243winxb

    243winxb Well-Known Member

    Bullet Hole
  18. natman

    natman Well-Known Member

    That's Benjamin Franklin and that silver half dollar used to be worth about $12 before it had a hole in it. :uhoh:
  19. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam


    It is Ben isn't it.

    But it was only worth .50 cents when I did it.

    Thats two mistakes I made with the same darn coin!

  20. ApacheCoTodd

    ApacheCoTodd Well-Known Member

    Got it RC. Thanks for the graphics. That was totally eluding me.

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