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How many know?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by tpaw, Aug 12, 2008.

  1. tpaw

    tpaw Well-Known Member

    I was just wondering. As a concealed carry handgun owner (LEO not included), how many of you definitively know all the circumstances when you can use deadly physical force. Did you take a course, or read your states laws on your own?
  2. Kind of Blued

    Kind of Blued Well-Known Member

    You'd darn well better.
  3. DoubleTapDrew

    DoubleTapDrew Well-Known Member

    They are supposed to teach that in a CCW course. Ours taught the "pyramid" where deadly force is justified (I think it's pretty universal, most states likely do). Ability, Opportunity, Intent. Gotta meet all 3 (and intent is usually the one that gets argued most in court since it gets into gray "reasonable person" territory).
  4. Definitively know all the circumstances? That's a pretty tall order. I suspect you'd have a hard time finding many folks who know what they are talking about who claim to know all the circumstances.
  5. Huddog

    Huddog Well-Known Member

    Georgia doesn't require a CCW course. You are of course held to the standard of knowing when it is appropriate to use your weapon for self defense. The Statutes are easily available on line and numerous books and forums address these issues. It is extremely irresponsible to ccw and not know the rules of how and when its use is appropriate. Not to mention the fact that improper use of lethal force will get you arrested and sued. If one does not know one need not carry.
  6. neviander

    neviander Well-Known Member

    "Definitively" depends on an infinite number of variables....and your lawyer. As prepared as one can be for a firefight, when one might break out is 'definitively' unpredictable :D
  7. Except the US, save Louisana, is a common law legal system which means that simply knowing the statutes won't give you a definitive view of all the circumstances.
  8. tpaw

    tpaw Well-Known Member

    Just wanted to share this from another poster on a different site:

  9. Mot45acp

    Mot45acp Well-Known Member

    From a personal aspect I do.

    My state allows me to pursue and fire as long as I dont lose line of sight.

    From a moral aspect I prolly wont unless wife or kids are in danger. ( I still gotta sleep at night and look at myself in the mirror.)
  10. SCKimberFan

    SCKimberFan Well-Known Member

    This I know: If my life is in danger by the actions of another, I will use whatever force is necessary.
  11. tigre

    tigre Well-Known Member

    Morally: when someone forces me to choose between my life and theirs.

    Legally: I've done some reading on my own and am planning on going to a dedicated self-defense course, but my CCW class covered basic ideas about escalating use of force, threat pyramid, and "Ability, Opportunity, Intent" as DTD mentioned. There's always room for Monday morning quarterbacking with anything you do, and a zealous DA could try to make things difficult I guess, but I'm in a pretty self-defense-friendly state. I would like to find more information about the legal implications of defending yourself against "unarmed" assailants. I'm not a dainty little flower, but I am small enough that most men of even average build could pose a serious threat without being armed. That reminds me that I need to buy some new pepper spray, actually.
  12. pitbullman

    pitbullman Active Member

    here in NC its pretty simple as long as one of the 3 musts(treat of death-serious injury of bodily harm or sexually asst) occur deadly force is justifiable as long as your not the aggressor
  13. I'm intrigued by this line of sight thing. Do you have statute number or a case where this is discussed?
  14. TIMC

    TIMC Well-Known Member

    I definitely know and anyone who carries should.
    They spent a lot of time in the class talking about it. There are even a few circumstances here in Texas where you could use deadly force that I don't think I would if the situation came up. Some things are just not worth it to me.
  15. jrfoxx

    jrfoxx Well-Known Member

    I've read all of OR's gun laws MANY times, and try to read any gun related cases I can find too.reading the law is one thing, but it's how it tends to be applied/interpreted in your area that is most important, IMHO. The law can seem pretty clear-cut and obvious, but nearly all laws, when lawyers/judges get involved, can be interpreted in many slightly different ways, depending on circumstances, and just a minor variation in interpretation/application can mean the difference between no charges, areested but DA doesnt want to push it, ending up in court but winning at trial, and going to prison. Reading case law never ceases to amaze me at the ingenuity of judges/lawyers in their reading/presentation of the law, and the way a jury can decide in the end can be pretty wild too.

    I, with my non-legal training, would definitely reccomend reading all the local/state cases on guns/SD shoots you can. It's VERY useful info, and may make the difference in jail/no jail. Plus, its the judges/DA's/juties reading of the law that counts in the end, not ours.

    OOOXOOO Well-Known Member

    In AZ to get a permit you must attend 16 hours of training. Twelve hours were dedicated to leagl matters dealing with CCW. Four hours of the class were taught by a practicing lawer. I thought the class was worth takeing even if you did not CC.
  17. SHavis

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  18. Deanimator

    Deanimator Well-Known Member

    Some states don't have training requirements. Ohio does. The Ohio Attorney General puts out a very useful book on CCW. You can either get a printed copy or download it from the AG's website.
  19. possum_128

    possum_128 Well-Known Member

    Read the laws. I know them very,very well. As should anyone who owns a gun.
  20. jackstinson

    jackstinson Well-Known Member

    Yup! Good reading.
    Of course, some of that changes for the better on September 9th, when our version of the Castle Doctrine becomes law.

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