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How will antis demonize lever rifles? (satire writing contest)

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by MatthewVanitas, Aug 11, 2006.

  1. MatthewVanitas

    MatthewVanitas Senior Member

    Dec 28, 2002
    Washington DC (!)
    Right before the AWB sunsetted (if that is a word), various anti-gun groups had their anti-SKS propaganda all ready to go. They apparently presumed that the AWB would renew, and were ready to target the SKS as the next "evil rifle".

    Not clear as to whether bolt-action or pump rifles would be next for VPC. Either "evil sniper rifles" or "those guns that you pump and they shoot really fast". Apparently pump rifles are considered to be as bad as semis in the U.K., not quite sure how that happened.

    Anywha, thought I'd try and anticipate anti arguments against lever-action rifles. Prepared is forewarned, and writing propaganda is fun.

    Can anybody outdo this press release? Photoshop work also welcome.


    Vigilante Rifles: the Original Assault Weapon

    The legislation of 2008 which finally prohibited semi-automatic machineguns in America came as a great relief to the nation. The banning of UZIs, TEC-9s, AUGs, AR-70s, and other implements of warfare has taken more and more guns off our streets, making our children safer and healing our country's wounds.

    Unfortunately, gun violence continues to plague our communities, due to the irresponsible marketing practices of the gun industry and the duplicity of the National Rifle Association.

    The current weapon of choice for criminals and domestic terrorists is the "lever action rifle", commonly called a "thirty-thirty" on the street. These weapons are especially popular among the right-wing fringe elements which glorify the serial killers of pre-modern America, and condone the genocide of First Peoples. The gun industry aids and abets these fantasies of vigilantism and murder by providing weapons invoking nostalgia for a period of racial and gender oppression, imperialism, and continual violence.

    Originally designed as weapons of war, not as sporting implements, these lever-operated weapons were the first to use the high-capacity magazine for greater destructive potential. Even today, variants such as the Marlin 39 hold twice as many bullets as banana-clips that were banned during the 1994 Assault Weapons ban! Further, these weapons serve as a "loophole" in both the 1994 AWB and 2008 Bad Guns Act, in that they may be fired as rapidly as the gunman can operate the lever and pull the trigger. Functionally, these rifles are manually-operated machineguns, capable of spraying 100 rounds per minute!

    While it is well known that the standard "30-30" rifle is more than capable of penetrating police officers' body armor (a fact that the gun industry chooses not to explain), these rifles are marketed in even more ludicrously powerful chamberings, such as the "375" and the gigantic "45-70", nearly three times larger than the .14 caliber rifles currently used by our nation's military.

    As elements of the unstable "gun culture" seek ever more excessive implements of machismo to compensate for their shortcomings, "underground" fabricators are busy converting vigilante rifles to absurdly powerful calibers, such as the "475", which can take down "any game [sic] animal on earth." Antisocial elements in Alaska have even modified these rifles to fire the infamous "50", a military-only bullet which is capable of downing jetliners, destroying chemical plants, and penetrating armored limousines and even light military vehicles.

    It is time that America stands up to gun industry, and makes it quite clear that armed "cowboys" are a national shame best relegated to the dustbin of history, and that neither these vigilante rifles nor their violent owners are welcome in our communities. After all, what sort of sportsman needs a high-capacity, rapid-fire elephant gun to hunt ducks?
  2. The Drew

    The Drew Active Member

    May 9, 2005
    Central Pennsylvania
    While this piece is satire... I think it may be best to just delete this thread... Lord knows we don't need to give the anti's anything they might try to exploit.
  3. Father Knows Best

    Father Knows Best Senior Member

    Apr 14, 2005
    Minneapolis, MN, USA
    You forgot to mention that the original lever action rifles -- the Henry and its Winchester progeny -- were known in their day as "the rifle you could load on Sunday and shoot all week."

    Many versions are available in "magnum" chamberings (357 and 44).

    Cowboy action shooters have been known to fire 10 shots from a lever action rifle in under 3 seconds (the current record is actually within a few hundredths of 2 seconds, IIRC). That translates to a "cyclic rate" of over 200 rounds per minute.

    Many companies offer modifications to these rifles, such as short stroke kits and hi-strength, light-weight parts using aircraft industry technology, all designed to increase their rate of fire.

    Etc., etc.
  4. JesseL

    JesseL Senior Member

    Aug 26, 2004
    Prescott, AZ
    Why not let the antis use a line of reasoning that is so easy to rebutt by pointing out that it was originally authored by a pro-gun person as a work of satire? I wouldn't worry so much about providing the antis with ammo in the form of silly lines of reasoning when they are so adept at creating it on their own.

    I won't be surprised the day I read a proposal for banning single shot .22s, beacause their low power and capacity encourage criminals to hone their marksmanship skills and make them more efficient killers.
  5. Jorg Nysgerrig

    Jorg Nysgerrig Member

    Apr 13, 2006
    The pages of Snopes.com are filled with satire that escaped the intended audience and was widely disseminated as truth.
  6. MatthewVanitas

    MatthewVanitas Senior Member

    Dec 28, 2002
    Washington DC (!)
    I thought over the ramifications before posting.

    If an argument can be made against us, it's best that it be out in the open so that we're prepared to rebut. I'm not a believer in the "ooh, don't let them find out about that" school of thought. Further, I don't believe that the antis particularly have trouble coming up with absurd arguments. I'm particularly fond of the fact that one can accurately say that a levergun has an ROF of 200rpm, but the mental image that such conjures up is ludicrously inaccurate.

    But that's just me personally. I trust Mr Volk and our mods, and defer to their opinions, yea or nay.

    Hopefully yea, since I certainly had fun writing it.
  7. ArmedBear

    ArmedBear Senior Elder

    Sep 8, 2005
    You mean those evil rapid-repeating rifles and Indian-killer bullets?
  8. Chipperman

    Chipperman Senior Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    Essex Co, MA
    Lever rifles:
    The original Genocide gun. The White Supremecists of the Wild West used these original assault weapons to terrorize and slaughter the peaceful Native Americans. The poor Native Americans had no chance against these deadly guns that could spew out dozens of bullets every minute. The White men used these horrible to create a hail of bullets in spray-and-pray fashion that left entire native villages littered with corpses. These need to be banned. No other country in the World uses lever guns the way gun nuts do here in the U.S.
  9. lamazza

    lamazza Participating Member

    Nov 21, 2005
    I think the real problem will be the reloaders that make 'hot' .300 winmag loads that can penetrate forests and kill children through reinforced concrete school houses 5 miles away :what:
  10. Zundfolge

    Zundfolge Elder

    Dec 24, 2002
    Colorado Springs
    Thats funny and all, but in reality had the AWB been renewed I believe their next target wouldn't have been any particular rifle action, but instead would have been any ammunition capable of piercing level II body armor.

    Yes, they would have resurrected the whole "Cop Killer Bullets" thing ... only this time applied to rifle ammo instead of just special handgun ammo.

    Ted Kennedy tried that very thing right around the time of the end of the AWB (I believe he tried to tack it on to the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Firearms Act).
  11. Fosbery

    Fosbery Participating Member

    Jun 21, 2006
    Great Britain
    Here in the UK, they (pretty much) banned pistols. Despite this being in reaction to a somewhat overt mass murder the government said it was because they were so easy to conceal and this banned most things under a certain length and/or barrel length.

    What does this have to do with leverguns?

    Well, after the pistol ban most pistol shooters like myself either bought a black powder revolver like the Ruger Old Army, or bought a levergun (or both).

    Leverguns were still safe to use on pistol ranges, used pistol ammunition and were nice and quick, so many of the pistol disciplines were simply adapted slightly for the new leverguns.

    In a recent government review of firearms controls in the country, the Home Office adressed many of the government/public concerns. This was basically a list of all the most non-PC stuff in the UK like semi-auto .22s, BP revlolvers and other types of legal pistol, large caliber rifles (such as .50 BMG and .338 lapua), semi-auto/pump shotguns and also, leverguns.

    The concerns were aparently due to the fact that the leverguns used pistol ammunition. It seems the antis were happy that pistols were banned, but that somehow the evil-ness of pistols also infects anything using pistol ammunition.

    This is of course non-sensical as the reasoning for banning pistols was that they were small and easy to conceal, which leverguns are not. Also, even relaticely PC boltguns can shoot pistol ammunition.

    The other concern was that because they fired pistol ammunition, they could be 'sawn off' into pistols. This was also stupid because any gun could be sawn down to fall under the anti-pistol legislation. Infact, I don't think there are any leverguns where the magazine tube is short enough for the gun to be 'sawn off' so much that it becomes illegal in the UK so if they must worry about something, it should be shotguns and boltguns.

    Luckily, the Home Office report actually put down all this as nonsense 9as it did virtually all the other concerns).

    But there you go, first the US antis will ban pistols, then they'll ban anything shooting pistol ammunition, then they'll ban sniper rifles (bolt actions) and you'll be done.
  12. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    Dec 24, 2002
    Idahohoho, the jolliest state
    Yep. Used by men who think little boys should play cowboys and Indians instead of playing with dolls like civilized children.
  13. Travis McGee

    Travis McGee Participating Member

    Jan 12, 2003
    NE Florida
    Fact is, the lever gun is the "politically correct" assault weapon. A fellow who knows his business can sustain quite a rate of effective fire with a 30-30 lever gun, (a cartridge about the same in terminal effect as the 7.62 X 39 Russian). Yet in the truck or the trunk, it's just as wholesome as Mom and apple pie....heh heh heh.
  14. hammer4nc

    hammer4nc Active Member

    Jan 2, 2003
    click here: http://www.evtv1.com/player.aspx?itemnum=253
    (sorry for the short commercial, but the clip is worth it!)

    ==> 11 shots in 3 seconds, from the hip, while walking down main street! The original "bullet hose" as portrayed at the end of the 19th century!
  15. akodo

    akodo Senior Member

    Aug 31, 2005
    I don't think this idea is 'out there' at all, even if it does make no sense.

    after all, first the antis wanted to stop all the evil black assault rifle machinegun things.

    Oh, and 'junk guns' and 'saturday night specials' which they eventually defined as small and cheap, but they really ment all small guns, just couldn't swing it at the time

    then full sized pistols designed around 15 (and 13 and 17) shot magazines, because no one needed to own such dangerous devices, who needs to shoot so many times? only killers!

    Then they went after 'very small easy for a person to hide, or a kid will think it is a toy' subcompact handguns designed around the very 10 shot magazines created just because of the above law. Yes, the antis hated that the gun industry did exactly what they desired.

    There was also pressure to drop the mag size limit from 10 down to 6. Of course, had that happened, the popularity of 7 and 8 shot .357 magnums would have gone through the roof, as would have 6 shot .44 mags. Just like the attitude of 'If I cannot have 15 in 9mm, I'd just as soon have 8 in .45 acp' I think lots of shooters would have said 'If I can only have 6 (or 7 or 8) I want to make those 6 count! give me .44 magnum!)

    Of course the antis would be upset that everyone was turning to 'superguns in magnum chamberings with big long barrels to aid in shooting! Just like dirty harry in the movies!' (see, short barrels are bad, so are big long barrels)

    So then we would all be down to 6 shot .38 special 'mall security guard' style revolvers.....then they would be gone too.

    Plus I always believed if handguns become heavily regulated or illegal, cut down pump shotguns is what most criminals would convert to, as a remington 870 express is still going to be a common gun to straw buy or steal, and i'd much rather the criminals be using Lorcin and Davis 'duce duce's and .25acps than cut down 12 guages....so then any shotgun you could take a hacksaw to would be up for banning as the 'top choice for gangs and killers in america!'

    Right now, in the realm of long guns, in addition to going after assault weapons, and 50BMG, the antis are worked up over the 'Sniper culture!' which they believe glorifies 'one shot one kill' at long ranges, and that the gun industry is apparently feeding this concept by making rifles 'too accurate' and 'too powerful' for normal hunting. That's right, your varmint rifle isn't really for shooting varmints, it is all code the gun industry set up to sell sniper rifles to sniper wannabes. The antis cite that most deer are shot within 100 yards of the shooter, so who needs rifles capable of shooting so far and so accurate.

    Seems to me the antis would like to sweep up not only a very long list of 'sniper rifles' but pretty much any scoped bolt action rifle in a serious caliber...and anythign that can go much beyond 100 yards.
  16. Smith357

    Smith357 Participating Member

    Feb 19, 2005
    Columbus, Ohio
    How about those evil long range guns like the Ballard, Sharps, and Remington Rolling blocks that can kill a buffalo from 800 yards away, with a gigantic bullet. Or those dastardly Pennsyvania and Kentucky rifles that are used against officers from behind cover.
  17. longeyes

    longeyes member

    Dec 25, 2002
    True West...Hotel California
    Don't you guys have .30-30s Over There? The rifle that won Wessex?

    Lever-actions = dead Indians + dead buffalo. Does it get any more imperialist and anti-environment than that?
  18. Jim K

    Jim K Elder

    Dec 31, 2002
    Three areas of very real attack:

    1) Any firearm using a type of action ever used by the armed forces of any nation. (Think about that for a while! It is intended to sound like a ban on assault weapons, and they hope Congress reads it that way - it would actually ban all rifles and most anything else in the way of firearms.)

    2) Shotguns, which fire hundreds of rounds with a single twitch of an insane lunatic terrorist's finger. Not called "street sweepers" by the gun nuts for nothing, these guns will kill everyone in range, even blowing holes in buildings.

    3) Lookalike guns - Any device or object, no matter what it is called or what its purpose, that resembles in any way any firearm or gun of any type. (Gals, there go your hair driers, and guys, you have to surrender your hand drills.)

    One proposal has the penalty for any violation as summary execution of the violator and his family. Yes, the anti-gun nuts really are nuts.

    Any more questions?

  19. taliv

    taliv Moderator

    Oct 23, 2004

    don't forget that lever guns with tube magazines are easily converted to machine guns simply by using pointed bullets!
  20. C. Rabbit

    C. Rabbit New Member

    Dec 7, 2005
    Incindiery bullets to start grass fires?

    I had to chuckle at that.


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