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I am a Democrat for RKBA

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by hm, Jan 31, 2013.

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  1. hm

    hm Well-Known Member

    Fellow gun owners and activists,

    First know this...I'm with you on RKBA for sane, red-blooded Americans from the start. I've been on THR for 10 years as an advocate for 2A. I own multiple so-called "assault" weapons, handguns, shotguns, etc...

    Yeah, this may be daring (and/or asking for trouble), but as a Texas Democrat, I want to make my voice heard on behalf of many other Dems.

    I state the following hoping to remove a lot of the anti-Liberal non-2A crap I've been seeing over the years...both here on THR and from the NRA, of which I am proudly NOT a member. I know it's an uphill climb, but I won't stop until I've convinced everyone.

    ***I am not a single-issue voter, although the 2nd Amendment is a major issue for me.

    ***I voted for President Obama, as did a majority of Americans (thus, he's prez). I would eagerly vote for him again today.

    ***I voted for President Obama believing that he would not unduly curtail my 2nd Amendment rights. I also voted for him because of other issues I believe in, like Social Security, Foreign Policy (ending our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan), Equal Rights (like gays in the military and equal pay for women), and accountability to the middle class on Wall Street.

    I, like a MAJORITY of Americans (many Dems and pretty much all Republicans), support the RIGHT to keep and bear arms. While a lot of my Democratic brethren may not be wholly familiar with my battle cry MOLON LABE like you and I are, many (yes, more than 50% of Dems) believe American citizens should be able to own some serious firearms.

    Yep, I disagree with restricting "assault weapons" which is a wacko Diane Feinstein creation born of ignorance because certain rifles look "scary" (it's just "scary" looking furniture on an "evil" black gun). I also strongly disagree with restricting magazine caps at 10. Bad guys are bad guys...they'll find a way to kill regardless. Like MOST of my Dem brethren, I do not think Diane Feinstein speaks for me with every breath she takes!!! (Does your GOP Rep/Senator speak for you on EVERY issue???).

    What I DON'T disagree with is the alleged "Weak Liberal" sentiment of reducing gun crimes through reducing access of firearms to the mentally deranged. Background checks to see if you've been treated for significant mental disturbance, or have been involved in criminal violence, is not just ok, it's absolutely the right thing to do. Even at gun shows or between private citizens.

    My view (and I'm absolutely right about this) is that being pro-2A has become synonymous with being a Conservative Republican in ALL regards for ALL issues. Well, I've got news for you. If you're pro-2A and you and I disagree about the need for government-provided safety nets like Medicaid and Social Security, then you and I have differences of opinion on completely different issues. You and I believe in 2A, but we disagree on Welfare. That's fine, but leave your wholesale Liberal-bashing on another forum dedicated to Welfare reform.

    I'm sick and *censored* tired of the *censored* damned Liberal bashing based on a single issue when you really have a problem with ALL Liberal issues. Leave that crap elsewhere, I urge you. While we're here on this forum, let's talk about how to convince ALL our politicians, Left and Right, how to keep their hands off the guns of us law-abiding red-blooded Americans. If you have a problem with my pro-welfare stance, meet me on another website about THAT issue.
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  2. MaterDei

    MaterDei Well-Known Member

    You contradict yourself, sir.

    The arrogance of this statement and much of your post is so typical of liberals. It's 'my way or the highway'. You will NEVER convince everyone of anything. Frankly, you should set the goal of convincing ONE person of what you believe. Good luck with that.
  3. Alaska444

    Alaska444 member

    With all due respect, voting for someone that is openly anti-gun is not the best way to support the 2A. At this point, we all sink or swim together since you and the majority voted for this man. I did not. The only sure way is to not vote for those who are openly antigun. Sorry, but are you trying to pick a fight with those of another political persuasion? Not a THR post at all. You are not off to a good start convincing me or anyone from your tone.
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  4. TAKtical

    TAKtical Well-Known Member

    115 posts over 10 years? You should visit more often.
  5. eazyrider

    eazyrider Well-Known Member

    I agree with the Democrats on a lot of issues. But, unfortunately for them gun rights are my main issue. Therefore I vote Republican. I do see your point though, I get what you are trying to do. But your in a tough spot because your issues don't mesh with one party. I am in the same boat but again gun rights trump most other issues for me.
  6. tarosean

    tarosean Well-Known Member

    How is all that working out for you??

    I do believe background checks are the one thing that we will see become law during this storm..
  7. JERRY

    JERRY Well-Known Member

    you sound like a meat eating vegetarian.
  8. ljnowell

    ljnowell Well-Known Member

    Sorry HM, this has nothing to do with me being partisan, it has to do with you living in denial. You say you voted Obama, would do it again. BUT you are concerned about your rights and want to fight it. Those statements dont add up. I cant possibly take you serious.

    I didnt agree with many things Bush did in his first term, guess what? I didnt vore for him after that. Until "pro gun" democrats grow the guts to vote against the antis in thier party, we all get what you vote for.
  9. leadcounsel

    leadcounsel member

    I agree.

    But you are blind to not see that voting in a person who HATES your rights and wants to get rid of them is contrary to your 2A position.

    Obama WILL do or try to do irreparable damage to the 2A through Executive Orders, Laws, and SCOTUS appointments (1-3) that will systematically ruin the 2A and other freedoms.

    You should repent by writing all of your leaders in the Senate and local governments to keep their hands off the 2A.
  10. Arbor

    Arbor Well-Known Member

    I completely agree with the OP (except for the part about background checks. We don't need more laws). While gun-rights are a serious issue, it is hard to vote for someone who you disagree with on every other issue. There are a hell of a lot more liberal gun owners than you guys realize. It is not helping our fight when we are fighting each other.

    When gun owners bash all liberals, it makes it seem to those who support gun restrictions that ALL liberals are with them on that issue. It's simply not the case, and we are better off fighting for the specific issues. Don't make enemies where you don't have to. I might disagree with most of the people here on politics in general, but I am with you 100% in the fight to keep and bear arms.

    P.S. How is that assault weapon ban that Romney signed treating you, Massachusetts?
  11. Girodin

    Girodin Well-Known Member

    So you are a member of an organization who has it as an express plank of their platform to take away your second amendment rights all while being "pro RKBA?"

    You voted for politicians who have openly expressed their desires (pre election too) to take away your second amendment rights, and claim to be pro RKBA?

    And how is that working out right now?

    You should thank God there are enough Republicans in the house that he wont be able to. If it were up to him he would do it faster than you could blink. That much has become painfully clear.

    It was the "pro gun" democrats that were the first to call for a discusssion where everything was on the table, and other euphanisism for calling for an AWB, something their party has been calling for ever since we got some of our rights back in 2004, thanks largely to a republican controlled congress and White House.

    Or you could start by voting for folks that actually acknowledge and believe in your constitutional rights. It seems that would be much more effective than voting for someone who has stated they want to and intend to infringe upon them and then discussing how we could convince them not to. In fact, to be blunt, the latter sounds like a pretty stupid strategy and giant waste of time. You know how you convince politicians to not infringe on your constitutional rights, by not voting for those that do so or openly state their desires and intents to do so.

    It seems to me you have recognized that your party, and its members are the pretty much the main and sole threat to the second amendment and you don't like having to fess up to that. Trying to separate the democrats stance on the second from everything else is a bit ingeniousness or perhaps just sadly naive. Their moves to disarm us are part of larger agenda. You don't think they really believe any of their proposals will make anyone safer from criminals do you? Its a power play designed as part of their agenda to change the balance of power between the people and the government.

    Mods should probably lock this thread now.
  12. Girodin

    Girodin Well-Known Member

    Its not helping our fight at all if they will vote for people who will try to abridge our rights.

    I would say 100% is much to high a figure if you are voting for anti gun politicians or do other things to help them get elected. It is also too high a figure if you are a member of the democratic party or give that party money given their party plat form plank on gun control.

    You cannot vote for anti gun politicians (of any party) and then claim to be with me 100% on the second amendment. There are democratic politicians with strong pro RKBA records, they just are bloody rare.
  13. David White

    David White member

    I think that the OP's post was daring, openly honest and worthy of reading.
    As long as he stands firm for his 2A rights, I see him as an asset for our cause.
    He has every right to vote for whom ever he wants based on his beliefs and convictions. For that and for admitting such, knowing he would take flack for it, I applaud him.
    We need all the help we can get on 2A issues and if he is on board with that, I think that's what matters most.
  14. Alaska444

    Alaska444 member

    If you are for dismantling any part of our constitutional rights, you shouldn't cry foul when your pet favorite right is challenged. They are ALL connected. If one falls, they all fall. Obama is the most anti-constitutional president we have ever had. It is only sour grapes to realize he is using his supporters to dismantle this country. How are those taxes in your paycheck as well. So much for not raising taxes on anyone with less than $250,000. So much for any part of the Bill of Rights. You state you care about the 2A, what about the rest of the constitution?

    Sorry, these sort of unity threads just don't turn it for me. There is a great discordancy in America today between those that understand the true nature of freedom and are willing to fight for those rights and many who truly don't understand the dangers that Obama places on ALL of our rights, not just the 2A. Sorry, but if they ever restrict our 2A rights, those that voted for Obama will share the responsibility for the loss of those and many other rights. Elections have consequences as the great Obama keeps reminding us.
  15. Girodin

    Girodin Well-Known Member

    Well according to his own post he is not. He is voting for people or at least one in Obama, who openly wanted to infringe on those rights.

    When you seek to get anti gun politicians in office, particularly ones that can appoint SCOTUS justices and other federal judges, are you really on board though? I'd say not so much.

    To the OP, what RKBA organizations do you belong to? Which ones have you given money to? What, in concrete terms have you done to actually support the RKBA?
  16. Kiln

    Kiln Well-Known Member

    You say that you voted for him and would gladly vote for him again, yet he's at the tip of the spear that is trying to stab our constitutional right to bear arms. This dirt bag is trying to pass off the second amendment as a hunter/sportsman's "tradition" and a large portion of ignorant liberals are behind him.

    Turns out that, big surprise, Obama is still anti gun in the second term and now has nothing to fear about being re-elected. Notice how his mouth was shut tight on the issue until he won the election?

    In the past he voted against concealed carry, he voted to uphold the handgun ban in Illinois, supported licensing and registration, and was on record saying that Bush screwed up not renewing the AWB. Where was the doubt about his agenda? Where are all of the libs arguing that Obama is pro gun now?

    Basically any gun owner who voted for Obama was totally ignorant of the president's record or didn't care. In which case, please don't be such an idiot next time around and then come whining that he's trying to attack your rights.
  17. goon

    goon Well-Known Member

    The OP makes a valid point.
    I DID NOT vote for Obama because I have never personally trusted him. When he was campaigning in PA on his first run and made his "cling to their guns and religion" comment, I knew he wasn't interested in leading all Americans. I am not overly religious but I know many people who are very faithful and they shouldn't be attacked BY THE LEADER OF THEIR NATION for that.
    And obviously, I disagree with his attack on the Second Amendment.

    Having said that, there are a lot of democrats, even very liberal ones, who strongly support the RKBA. And the republicans in NY just perpetrated the worst assault on the Second Amendment at the state level I have ever seen. Even without that, anyone who voted for Mitt Romney supported a candidate who cheerfully signed an assault weapons ban into law in Massachusetts. There is plenty of blame to go around for both parties when it comes to a lack of respect for the Second Amendment.

    And I would ask that the Mods please not lock this thread. I promise to be civil and try to keep this on a gun related track. The thread I started kind of like this one got closed down because others wouldn't keep it on track, but this is a conversation we as gun owners could stand to have.
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  18. Ragnar Danneskjold

    Ragnar Danneskjold Well-Known Member

    If you side with the Statists, you're no friend to the 2A no matter what you choose to tell yourself.
  19. Mr.454

    Mr.454 Well-Known Member

    Both Romney and Obama are anti-gun so this was going to happen no matter who got elected. The president can't appear weak in light of Sandy Hook so of course he will back a bill that I'm sure he knows won't pass. And the OP is right the democrat bashing happens a lot as if no republicans vote against 2A rights. How about James Brady you know the "Brady Bill" a republican. I don't vote for someone just based on guns sorry you don't get my vote just cause you support one thing. And that is what the OP was saying and I agree completely. This is not a republican or democrat issue this is an American issue.
  20. Kiln

    Kiln Well-Known Member

    The reason that liberals catch so much flak for being against the second amendment is because "progressive" types are overwhelmingly the ones behind legislation like the proposed AWB, universal background checks, and registration.
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