I CANNOT believe you can't open carry in texas

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I would like to see TX get open carry but I still say it's foolish to advertise that you are carrying a gun.
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Well, I haven't actually taken out an ad yet...

Too many people think of open carry and exclusively think of walking around at the mall with a .44 Magnum on your belt. If I'm going to town, I use my CCW. But Oklahoma is really weird about this whole open carry thing as well. I go for walks. I live 5.5 miles from Vinita. Dirt roads. A house every 3-400 yards at best. I prefer to just wear shorts and a t-shirt along with tennis shoes.

As the deputy sheriff asked after he had me face down in the gravel with a Glock pointed at my head, "why do you need to be carrying a gun out here?" It's just easier to open carry than to go concealed. Plus I can take a more versatile and powerful gun. If I CCW in town, it is pretty much all about SD from humans. Out in the country walking rural roads, you do still have to worry about that. But now there is a much higher chance your attackers will be in a big steel truck. So you need something that can penetrate and/or disable a vehicle. (My house is only 2.5 miles from a turnpike exit so I always think of In Cold Blood.) I walk along my own fence line for a while and I might see some wily coyote off in the distance trying to get away. Then I might just have to step off the side of the road and start shooting at him. Not going to do that with a .38 Special snub!

I've had some feral dogs circle me. I've had skunks that hung around and seemed a little iffy. As you can see, I like to carry a gun for a lot of reasons. And my normal carry isn't the right choice. If I can just snap on a US Army pistol belt and put a holster on that, I can carry pretty much anything. If I have to CCW, then I have to wear more clothes or carry something like a shoulder bag. Which I've done with my G35 and .357 SIG barrel. But it's hotter and bangs around more than a regular holster would.

Here's my last point to illustrate my point. If you owned a few hundred acres and you were going to go work on fences, etc, and you had the same concerns as I do when I'm walking, what would you carry? I'm willing to bet most of you wouldn't CCW your utility ranch gun. Skeeter and Elmer sure didn't! But I can't wear that same gun when I'm out walking 5-6 miles unless I want to be eating gravel again!

Here's the link to that incident that I posted right after it happened: http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=80795

Gregg
 
Can anyone please provide a link to the mythical"the bad guy will take his gun if he open carrys incedent". I know others have asked before but I have yet to see one verifiable instance.

And those 30;06 signs have to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of. Even here on the east coast in Pa, no guns signs legally don't mean squat. If the owner or manager asks you to leave and you don't it is just a tresspassing charge. We have open carry too.
 
Anyone know the reasoning behind this?
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Um...out of sight, out of mind? No OC means those scared by guns won't see any, and thus won't be scared - they like that. No OC means those carrying can do so without scaring others. Happy medium.
 
Texas Gun Laws

Seems a lot of non-Texicans are upset at our laws. No, we can not open carry, but we are far from being a Chicago Daleystan or NYC Bloombergstan.

The open carry ban dates back to post-War of Northern Agression. The carpetbaggers actually banned it to prevent "violence". We could get into a debate on the racist roots of the gun ban culture, but the question was about open carry.

Lighten up! Folks from Ohio should not be throwing stones. You just fixed the ridiculous car carry lunacy.

This legislative session Texans defeated ALL anti-gun legislation and passed several key pieces, including our "Stand Your Ground" (We already had a decent "Castle Doctrine" and redefined "travel" to allow unlicensed car carry. Our Legislature only meets every two years for 120 days. Reform takes time. Our people behind the scenes hammer the cogresscritters with bills every two years. We have some very active pro-gun types.

We are working towards open carry, and a gentleman provided the link in a prior post to the organization driving the cause. I am a member.

If I was to P&M about gun laws, I would hammer the commie pinko socialist gun grabber places first. I can pack in a lot of states thanks to reciprocity as can lots of you touristas that visit my lovely state.

And you can not be charged for flashing. There are no laws against printing. It is illegal to brandish in a threatening manner, in other words, intentional failure to conceal.

Facts, folks.

God Bless Texas.

Anygun
 
I still can't believe that people think we should hide our guns so we don't scare people. Who cares if they're scared, it isn't my problem they have a problem with guns. You may as well say fat chicks shouldn't walk around in tight pants and belly shirts cuz it scares me.

Get your 2nd amendment right out of the closet and on your hip in full view, the more that open carry the less scared people will be when it becomes commonplace.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde
 
anygunanywhere,

Hey...just a "Hello" to you seeing that you were a "neighbor" for a while. I was down in Galveston twice first half of May...did a bunch of surf/pier/shore fishing...mostly gafftopsails and small ones at that. :(

Hope to go back soon...and Padre Island/Port Aransas, too.

Gun related? Yes...I had my Beretta 21A (concealed) and my shorty Mossberg 500 in the car. :)

-- John D.
 
Hard to argue that disallowing open carry is infringing on your right to "keep & bear".
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Hard to argue that disallowing large magazines is infringing on your right to "keep & bear".

Hard to argue that disallowing semi-automatics is infringing on your right to "keep & bear".

Hard to argue that disallowing pistol grips and bayonet lugs is infringing on your right to "keep & bear".

And on, and on, and on.
 
Here I thought that the Bear part of "Keep and Bear" guaranteed open carry,as is bearing the weapon.

Silly me

Jefferson
 
Hard to argue that disallowing large magazines is infringing on your right to "keep & bear".

Hard to argue that disallowing semi-automatics is infringing on your right to "keep & bear".

Hard to argue that disallowing pistol grips and bayonet lugs is infringing on your right to "keep & bear".

And on, and on, and on.
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You didn't mention the more obvious argument.

Disallowing open carry is essentially saying, "You can carry so long as I don't see or know about it."

Now what if there were laws against free speech such as that? "You can say whatever you want, so long as nobody hears you."

It's absolutely an infringement.
 
Yeah I did.
But I have recently been informed, on another gun board, that the constitution is not law so I won't make that mistake again.

Jefferson
 
Here I thought that the Bear part of "Keep and Bear" guaranteed open carry,as is bearing the weapon.
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So you thought that "bear" was only used to mean "bear openly" in the 18th century? Interesting... :rolleyes:
You probably thought that "shall not be infringed" meant "shall not be infringed," too, didn't you?
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Name one constitutional right that may be exercised totally free of regulation or rule of law.
Now what if there were laws against free speech such as that? "You can say whatever you want, so long as nobody hears you."
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Very poor comparison. Speech is totally ineffective if it's not heard while carrying a gun concealed is, in at least some ways, MORE effective than carrying openly.
 
You're drawing a parallel in a meaningless fashion. Speech is totally ineffective if it's not heard while carrying a gun concealed is, in at least some ways, MORE effective than carrying openly.
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And if you can't carry concealed in certain circumstances... you can't carry at all..... which is an incredibly ineffective method of protecting yourself.
 
carrying a gun concealed is, in at least some ways, MORE effective than carrying openly.
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effectiveness is subjective.
Name one constitutional right that may be exercised totally free of regulation or rule of law.
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Just because all constitutional rights are infringed does Not make that infringement legal (constitutionally) or acceptable (personally).
So you thought that "bear" was only used to mean "bear openly" in the 18th century?
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I object to the word "Only", I never wrote word one about any other form of carry. It is beyond a reasonable doubt that the authors of said document surely had open carry in mind when it was written as concealable firearms were rare.
Anything else I can help you with?

Jefferson
 
Don't feed the trolls.
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??!!
And if you can't carry concealed in certain circumstances... you can't carry at all..... which is an incredibly ineffective method of protecting yourself.
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The sky is blue because of Rayleigh scattering. Oh, I'm sorry, were we supposed to be making RELEVANT comments? :confused:
It is beyond a reasonable doubt that the authors of said document surely had open carry in mind when it was written as concealable firearms were rare.
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Unless you can prove that they were not just rare but non-existent then your "beyond a reasonable doubt" vanishes.
Just because all constitutional rights are infringed does Not make that infringement legal (constitutionally) or acceptable (personally).
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So you claim the entire system we base our country on is gefurkt and yet you're spending your time complaining about having to wear a cover garment in Texas?

I started posting on this before it was moved to L&P--I'm gonna have to quit now, I can't stand it in here.
 
How about this... only the 2A says shall not be infringed.
in·fringe /ɪnˈfrɪndʒ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[in-frinj] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, -fringed, -fring·ing.
–verb (used with object) 1. to commit a breach or infraction of; violate or transgress: to infringe a copyright; to infringe a rule.
–verb (used without object) 2. to encroach or trespass (usually fol. by on or upon): Don't infringe on his privacy.
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Definition 1 is the one we are concerned with I think.

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be violated, transgressed or breached. Pretty easy to understand.
 
Unless you can prove that they were not just rare but non-existent then your "beyond a reasonable doubt" vanishes.
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No, I have to prove that at the time of writing a majority of arms in the public eye were not concealed. Easily done as at the end of the war of independence the arms that at the forefront of public opinion were not side arms but state of the art assault weapons equivalent of the arms of the standing army of the largest and strongest empire extant. I submit that mere handguns would have been beneath the notice of the people at such a time.

So you claim the entire system we base our country on is gefurkt and yet you're spending your time complaining about having to wear a cover garment in Texas?
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Part and parcel of the larger question. No infringement should escape my notice as a citizen of the United States. I never complained and I resent your insinuation that I have done so. The law is quite clear and makes no delineation between concealable and non-concealable arms. If you personally choose to conceal you sidearm, that is a personal choice and protected by the self same amendment that protects my personal choice to bear arms openly. It is a personal choice and therefore not the business of government.
Was that all? or did I miss something?

Jefferson
 
bh, to understand the politics you have to go back to the Florida reform efform in the mid-'80s. Ms. Hammer had to include the concealment requirement to placate the police bureaucracy that wished to maintain their self-claimed monopoly on the demonstration of violence.

Official police unions objected to citizens carrying arms and being mistaken for the police. Of course, there were the mandatory references to the Old West.

In the mid-90s another big electoral state, Texas, copied their statute from Florida. Since Florida's law included a concealment requirement, so did the Texas statute.

Texas has very strict laws on guns. However, they are getting better. I have been going down since '95. In 12 short years things have been getting better and better for Texicanos. Pretty soon they will almost be as good as we have it (even though you have a long road ahead of you), but you have to fight.:)
 
With regard to open carry and increased odds of death...
There are two types of felons- one that will kill and one that won't.

Now with OC, the one that won't will more than likely, move on.

That leaves that one that will kill during the commission of a crime (let's assume that the crime isn't murder otherwise the risks associated with OC is moot). So, you think that they wouldn't risk killing to cover their tracks when they're already ready to kill to steal, rape, etc? They by definition will kill, so you're not any more likely to get killed if you OC. May more likely to get killed first, but...

ETA don't know if it was mentioned before, but TX has open rifle carry. Not that you wouldn't get hassled.
 
If you owned a few hundred acres and you were going to go work on fences, etc, and you had the same concerns as I do when I'm walking, what would you carry? I'm willing to bet most of you wouldn't CCW your utility ranch gun.
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I'm a big fan of open carry, but I've found that when working around my property it is handy to have a shirt-tail or jacket covering my sidearm just to protect it from dust and getting banged into things. ;)
 
I'm a big fan of open carry, but I've found that when working around my property it is handy to have a shirt-tail or jacket covering my sidearm just to protect it from dust and getting banged into things.
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I guess that's one way to handle that sort of thing. I prefer full flap holsters myself. I have four different ones that pretty well cover the guns I'm most likely to carry around the farm. Actually I was carrying a G17 in a military style flap holster the day the cop put me on the ground. It was still "too open" for him!

Gregg
 
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I hate anti-gun states and stupid gun control laws, but I like this law. I personally don't want to know exactly which "law-abiding citizens" are toting guns right behind me when I'm in line at the grocery store. Sorry, but it would make me nervous if i was aware of some gothic punk behind me that was carrying a loaded .45 on his waist. Police and security personnel are one thing, but I agree with the statement about how all the open carry people are just making themselves targets.
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So shall we change the Second Amendment to read "A well dressed Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed as long as they follow the dress code?" And where would we draw the line? There's a lot of people out there who would feel "nervous" knowing that anyone not dressed in a police uniform are "toting guns."
 
ZAHC - "I'm planning on moving to TX. I'm disgusted at the gun laws, Texans should be ashamed. If there' one state in the union where you should be able to go around strapped, if there was a LAST state to ban open carry, it should be texas."


That's because Texans are a bunch of wimps and wooses! :neener:

Come on up to Idaho. You can carry openly, or concealed with a CCW, in city areas. Out in the boonies, you can carry any way you please.

L.W.
 
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