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I hate E-bay

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Daemon688, May 25, 2005.

  1. Daemon688

    Daemon688 Member

    Mar 31, 2004
    I tried to sell an AK-47 cleaning kit on e-bay only to have it removed. I thought it would be ok, so I sent an e-mail asking why. Here's the response I got.


    Thank you for writing eBay.

    I have reviewed the item in question and have determined it was removed
    correctly. Your item was reviewed by an eBay customer support
    representative, who found the auction to be in violation of our
    policies. Accessories for assault weapons (including cleaning kits for
    the AK-47) are not allowed on eBay.

    eBay has recently revised its Firearms Policy so that the sale of any
    assault weapon-related parts or accessories will no longer be permitted.
    This will apply to all parts and accessories related to any firearm
    defined as an "assault weapon" by either Federal or California law. In
    addition, the sale of any firearm receiver or firearm frame will not be
    permitted. While this policy has always been in place, this ban will now
    also include complete receivers and frames, components and parts of
    receivers and frames, "cut", "80%", or "partially complete" receivers.

    The primary reason that eBay has changed its policy is that various
    state and federal laws are particularly complex when it comes to
    regulating, and even defining, assault weapons parts and accessories.
    What is legal in one jurisdiction may be illegal in another, and as the
    category grew, it became increasingly difficult for us to enforce a
    consistent policy. To keep our community from inadvertently violating a
    firearms law, and to simplify our enforcement into a policy that would
    be fair and consistent to all sellers, we took the step of banning all
    parts and accessories related to assault weapons. This decision was made
    purely to help protect our community from inadvertently violating
    firearms laws, and for enforcement reasons. eBay takes no position on
    the gun control issue. eBay will continue to allow the sale of hunting
    rifle parts and accessories because the laws surrounding the sale of
    these items are much simpler and thus easier to enforce.

    We appreciate your patience and understanding regarding this matter, and
    wish you continued success on eBay.


    Community Watch Team
    eBay Trust & Safety

    Great, since my brushes, oiler can, and rod are considered assault weapons now, do I need a permit to buy them? :banghead: Who thinks I should re-list this as a SKS cleaning kit? :p
  2. LiquidTension

    LiquidTension Senior Member

    Jan 28, 2003
    AFAIK the sks and ak kits are the same - go for it.

    I'm also of the opinion that the ebay owners need for someone to forcibly remove their heads from their rears. On the other hand, I'm all for business owners being able to set their own policies...the answer is to not do business with them. Unfortunately, most businesses will never feel the effects of such action on our part due to the tremendous lack of enthusiasm for boycotting such businesses.


    And of course, our own for sale section here on THR.
  3. 71Commander

    71Commander Senior Member

    Sep 21, 2003
    Headin back to Johnson City
    I don't advise this. I tried the same thing and got suspended. :fire: :mad:
  4. Commissar Gribb

    Commissar Gribb Member

    Apr 19, 2005
    Holloman AFB, New Mexico
    they can't say much if you're selling a "cleaning kit for a russian style sporting rifle with 16" barrel"

  5. 280PLUS

    280PLUS Senior Member

    Feb 14, 2003
    Or just a "gun cleaning kit"

    EBAY is really out there these days :rolleyes:
  6. HighVelocity

    HighVelocity Senior Member

    Jan 18, 2005
    IDPA junkie in DFW, TX
    I managed to grab a HI CAP (12 round) pistol magazine on ebay before the overlords spotted it the other day. :neener:

    There is so much stuff on ebay the only way something gets removed is if someone reports it.
  7. TC66

    TC66 Member

    Mar 24, 2005
    SW Ohio
    How about a cleaning kit for a Russian 7.62x39 rifle with 16 inch barrel? If anyone has questions they can email you directly using ask the seller. You can confirm what it is at that time.
  8. Sistema1927

    Sistema1927 Senior Member

    May 21, 2004
    "Land of (dis)Enchantment"
  9. rick_reno

    rick_reno member

    Dec 25, 2002
    I stopped buying and selling there - their policies reflect what a Hillary presidency would look like. List it here, it's free.
  10. Harry Tuttle

    Harry Tuttle Senior Member

    Nov 14, 2003
    what i dont get is that is was shopping for a gernade launcher site on ebay and they are listed as:

    WW2 M15 Grenade Launcher Sight WITH Drilling Jig

    Dear User:

    Unfortunately, access to this particular category or item has been blocked due to legal restrictions in your home country. Based on our discussions with concerned government agencies and eBay community members, we have taken these steps to reduce the chance of inappropriate items being displayed. Regrettably, in some cases this policy may prevent users from accessing items that do not violate the law. At this time, we are working on less restrictive alternatives. Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience this may cause you, and we hope you may find other items of interest on eBay.

    Thank You.

    Hit the return button to return to the previous page.
  11. Control Group

    Control Group Member

    Feb 3, 2005
    Milwaukee, WI, Uniform Districts of America
    Perhaps I'm just being an ebay apologist, but I really don't find that email all that offensive. Sounds to me like they're exactly right. We all complain all the time about there being so many gun laws in so many places with so many different details that it's impossible to keep track of; what makes us think that ebay can do so? I understand their policies completely. Look at the number of threads just on THR just asking about how to legally transport a legally-owned and completely "benign" firearm across various states (like NY), and look at how many disparate answers get posted. And we're people who, by and large, make an effort and have a personal interest in knowing these things. Now change transportation of an unquestionably legal firearm into facilitating the sale of firearms, change personal interest to passing business interest (it's not like gun owners are their primary demographic), and I think it's pretty obvious why this is going on.

    Doesn't mean I don't want them changed, of course, but I don't think it's fair to blame ebay for this one. Instead, blame the insanely bloated network of picayune laws that have accreted around gun ownership over the last seventy years.

    This strikes me as a completely accurate, honest, and understandable policy on their part. Is anyone going to argue that the definition of "assault weapon" isn't vague, isn't subject to interpretation and change at the whim of TPTB, or that firearm regulations are consistent from jurisdiction to jurisdiction? I didn't think so.

    We all know that a cleaning kit and a firearm are two completely different things, just like we all know there's no reason an 80% should be a problem for them. But from an implementation standpoint, consider the chore ebay faces if they have to sift through every firearm-related offering and make sure that it's legal everywhere they do business?

    "For auction: 80% 1911 frame, package includes slide assembly, trigger assembly, and barrel. This is not a functional firearm, machining (cutting slide rails, drilling holes) required, assembly required."

    "For auction: 80% 1911 frame, package includes slide assembly, trigger assembly, and barrel. This is not a functional firearm, machining (cutting slide rails, drilling holes) required (will perform before shipping on request), assembly required."

    The legal difference is obvious if you know anything about 80% frames and their legal status, but do you really expect the average ebay employee to understand why one is legal without an FFL and one isn't? Ebay has decided to avoid any potential legal quagmire by not facilitating the transfer of guns via their web site. This may or may not be a policy I like, but it's a legitimate business decision, just like my local flea market doesn't allow FFLs to set up booths. Once that single, legitimate, decision has been made, this policy is a natural and logical conclusion, given the vast complexity of firearm laws.

    Basically, it amounts to "don't go to ebay to buy or sell gun accessories," which, to me, is no different than "don't go to Pick'N'Save to buy gun accessories" or "don't go to THR to buy or sell sticks of RAM."

  12. mrhuckins

    mrhuckins Guest

    Its Ebay's store, and they can list what they want, this is America after all. You guys are whining about nothing. Take your business elsewhere, it's not like Ebay is the only place where you can sell that item. THR has a way to sell items of this nature, as well as several other online sites. Take advantage of their services, and then send Ebay another email saying how they lost out on your business, along with a reciept showing them how much money they lost out on due to their unfair policies. That will show them. :rolleyes:
  13. Old Fuff

    Old Fuff Senior Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    I have an easy answer:

    E-Bay doesn't want this stuff on their auction site. So be it. :cuss:

    A lot of others do - including The High Road.

    So forget E-Bay, and go to the sites that like you. You'll still sell your stuff, and you may even do better because the people that are looking for guns or gun-related accessories will more likely be looking where they will find them.

    I need E-Bay like an extra hole in my head. They don't like me - they don't get my money. :evil:
  14. Johnnybgood

    Johnnybgood Member

    Feb 7, 2005
    Unfortunatley Ebay

    is the best place to get the best price when selling non-gun items. I think from here on out anything I sell on ebay I am going to offset the negative that my monies bring them by donating 10% of what I receive to either the NRA or the Second Amendment Foundation. :mad:
  15. client32

    client32 Member

    Jan 9, 2003
    Control Group is on my lines of thinking.

    Ebay is a business. They want to remain a business and make money. They have found that by being restrictive in this (and other areas) they are able to avoid costly lawsuits needless hassle. Yes, they probably do lose some money by not allowing these things to be offered.

    Ebay could take up the gun owners fight, but that isn't their primary business.
  16. JamisJockey

    JamisJockey member

    Jan 4, 2003
    Northern VA
    "Cleaning kit for 7.62x39"
    I hate ebay too, but its kinda like Wal-Mart....a Love/Hate relationship.
  17. Old Fuff

    Old Fuff Senior Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    I still don't have much use for E-Bay, but I think Johnnybgood has the best answer for those that do.
  18. Commissar Gribb

    Commissar Gribb Member

    Apr 19, 2005
    Holloman AFB, New Mexico
    I'm looking at some bayonets and some challenge coins on ebay- it's wrong to support them but they have such great stuff! :fire:
  19. jefnvk

    jefnvk Senior Member

    Jun 3, 2004
    The Copper Country, Michigan
    Do take a look at their policy. Pretty much anything that may be illegal anywhere is not allowed to be sold. I'm not blaming them, they are in Cali after all. Whose to say that if someone bought a high cap magazine off there, had it sent to Cali, shot up some place, that the state wouldn't hold EBay responsible?

    OTOH, I nearly bought an AR15 'sporting' upper on there , with the flash hider and bayonet lug ;)

    Mostly though, I hate eBay because people get into biding wars, and end up sppending more on used stuff than you can buy it new for :banghead: It's not a good place to get anything common.
  20. dolanp

    dolanp Member

    Feb 20, 2005
    Basing your business in California has its ill effects.

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