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I Just Couldn't Do It

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Flyboy, Nov 2, 2004.

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  1. Flyboy

    Flyboy Well-Known Member

    So, there I was, standing in the carousel, pen in hand, looking over the ballot. State Issues, done. Local races, done. State races, done. US Senate and Representative, done. One more look at the Presidential race...

    ...and I set my pen down. Walked over to the scanner, put my ballot in the slot, and walked away. I still haven't figured a way to shave with my eyes closed, so I just couldn't bring myself to support either of the candidates.

    Yes, either. I can name five--no, six--Presidential candidates this year off the top of my head, but there were only two on my ballot. Welcome to Oklahoma, home of the worst ballot access laws in the country. In Russia--Russia, fer Chrissakes!--it takes 50,000 signatures nationwide to get a party on the ballot (source). In Oklahoma, it takes 51,781 (source). Yes, folks, that's right. Oklahoma, in the heartland of the Home of the Free, makes it tougher to get on the ballot than Russia! And in absolute numbers, not just per capita.

    Oh, did I mention that write-in votes aren't accepted? There were two signs per booth--eight per four-space carousel--reminding us that we're not allowed to write in a candidate. I thought about doing it anyway, but, given the laws I know about, it wouldn't surprise me but that there was some little hidden law allowing them to declare the whole ballot spoiled if I do. Can't confirm it, but I wouldn't put it past the bastards. So I did the only thing I could do, compatible with my principles: I refused to lend my support to either of the sorry excuses for candidates running on the major ticket.

    Any other Okies with clear consciences this year?
  2. Sindawe

    Sindawe Well-Known Member

    Not an Okie

    But it sounds to me like you made the best of a bad situation. Instead of voting for the 'lesser of two evils", you voted for "None of the above", even if only in your own heart.
  3. GSB

    GSB Well-Known Member

    One assumes you will not bitch whoever is elected then, since you decided not to play the game.
  4. Gifted

    Gifted Well-Known Member

    You can't do write-ins? How? I say class action lawsuit.
  5. FeebMaster

    FeebMaster Well-Known Member

    If anyone has no business bitching, I'd think it would be the people who decided to play the game only to wind up upset with the outcome for one reason or another.
  6. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    If "No one" were a ballot option, I'm sure the nation would vote to do without presidents—and probably be happier, too.
  7. SkyDaver

    SkyDaver Well-Known Member

    You can't do write-ins in NC, either, unless you get enough signatures on a petition.

    The number is pretty high. I'm too tired to go look up the requirements right now, but you can find them somewhere if you google for NC statutes, I think.
  8. tyme

    tyme Well-Known Member

    GSB, don't spread FUD. You can define the "game" however you want, but that definition doesn't carry any weight. You therefore do not get to assert that only people who "play the game" can complain about the outcome.

    First, it's obvious that Bush will win Oklahoma, so by not voting for a President, Flyboy has increased the number of abstainers. This is tracked by the statisticians. They care about people who went to the polls but didn't vote for president. Those statistics influence future campaigns.

    Even people who don't go to the polls end up in a distinct but similar category. And you can bet that future campaigns, just like this campaign and past campaigns, will try to court those voters who haven't voted in the past due to apathy or disgust.

    Just about any action someone can take is "inside" the game; even not voting is "inside" the game, since it indicates either apathy or disgust. Everyone can complain about the outcome. The more people who complain, the greater the chance that something will change next election cycle. Even if you voted for Bush you can complain about things, because that vote doesn't mean you support all of his policies. It means on the whole you think he was the best candidate, not that he's perfect. So you can't complain that Bush won, but you can complain about his position on foreign aid. You can't complain about 90% of his platform, but you can complain about his position on abortion.
  9. Flyboy

    Flyboy Well-Known Member

    Oh, you can bet I'll complain. I'll probably complain louder than you. And I'll have every right.

    Didn't play the game? Sir, I was involved. I donated financially to my candidate. I went out and donated my time, and my effort, busting hump to gather signatures to get my candidate on the ballot. How dare you presume to call me indifferent. You're right, I didn't "play the game." That's probably because I don't play games on these matters. I am a man of strong conviction, and I refuse to compromise my principles.

    You don't list your location; if one lives in a state where his vote might have an effect on the outcome, he has some serious soul-searching to do. He has to decide between voting for the lesser evil--but still evil--or voting for the candidate he supports, accepting the risk that the "cure" might be worse than the disease. I, however, am not bound by such constraints: nothing I could do would change the outcome of this state (Bush, for the record). Consequently, I acted in the manner most compatible with my moral dictates.

    Further, if you'd been arsed to read the links (notably the second), you might have seen that there was a method to my madness. This was a protest (non)vote; tomorrow, the NOTA4Oklahoma group will be requesting the tally of "undervotes" as part of their formal protest against legislative disenfranchisement. You might also have noticed their plan to take it up in a ballot initiative. There's also talk of a lawsuit (as somebody else pointed out). You would have discovered that, had you followed the links. I swear, this place gets more like Slashdot every day.

    Thank you to the people who have expressed their support of my decision. I assure you, I did not come to it lightly, and probably would have acted differently if my vote had been valuable.
  10. rbrowning

    rbrowning Well-Known Member

    Only TWO?

    I had to pick from 7 presidental canidates this morning here in MI. Not that any of them looked all that great, but some did look REALLY bad!
  11. Carlos

    Carlos Well-Known Member

    Flyboy, "I approve your message".

    I voted for W. I was torn.

    My own brother told me last night that my car will not darken his driveway again.

    I said "fine!!!"
  12. Destructo6

    Destructo6 Well-Known Member

    "My vote didn't matter," is a poor argument for not casting a vote. You have both a right and a responsibility to vote: you failed.
  13. docbones

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  14. one45auto

    one45auto Well-Known Member

    Sorry my friend, but you fumbled the ball - big time. Fortunately others picked it up and ran with it so you'll still get the Super Bowl ring in spite of everything.
  15. FeebMaster

    FeebMaster Well-Known Member

    You Republicans are hilarious. Not voting for a candidate is at least as valid a choice as voting for some jackass you don't even agree with. In any case, it looks like your boy has just about got it wrapped up, so try not to get your knickers in too big of a twist over all of the non-voters out there.
  16. Dionysusigma

    Dionysusigma Well-Known Member

    This situation bugged me too. I seriously wanted to leave it blank, but somehow couldn't. I put in the line for Bush with a rather disgusted feeling... To be perfectly honest, I don't blame you one bit. Being given two bad choices is not a choice at all. I assume you wanted to vote for Badnarik; myself, Peroutka.

    People like us wanted to be able to pick either the prime rib or the filet mignon... but were given the choice of steak tartar or haggis.

    Thank God it won't be our last meal, though.
  17. Hawkmoon

    Hawkmoon Well-Known Member

    I assume, then, that you'll turn on the headlights the next time you visit?
  18. Silent-Snail

    Silent-Snail Well-Known Member

    For years I've heard people prattle on about how if you dont vote you cant complain. To this I say Blarg. The only ones who cant complain are those who got what they wanted. I'm not talking about a particular candidate, but about what happens after the office has been taken. "You made your bed now lie in it.", is something I try to live by. Sad that I belong to a minority with this view. BTW I did vote and I'm not tellin who for :neener:
  19. Cortland

    Cortland Well-Known Member

    Tear your ballot into little bitty pieces and set the mess afire for all I care.

    As long you don't live in Ohio!

  20. Barbara

    Barbara Well-Known Member

    I didn't know how I would vote until I got in the booth, and the president was the last vote I made.

    It was a gut wrenching decision for me. I made the right decision, though, when it came down to it.

    Anyone who participates in the process does their duty..and it sounds like you did more than most. Complain away. ;)
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