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I just wanted to remind everyone.....

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Jeff, Jun 1, 2005.

  1. Jeff

    Jeff Well-Known Member

    "Click it or ticket!"

    I get so enraged when I hear this that I could eat nails. :banghead:
  2. Third_Rail

    Third_Rail Well-Known Member

    Shh. Drink your kool aid and buckle your seat belt. OR ELSE. :scrutiny:

    MA also has a ban on smoking in quite a few places.

    DSRUPTV Well-Known Member

    Well at least there is a weak argument that smoking can negatively affect the health of others. I see no need at all for an adult to be forced to wear their seatbelt. Proper restraints for young children seems ok, but not for a reasonable adult.
  4. Alex45ACP

    Alex45ACP Well-Known Member

    More idiotic nanny-statery... :cuss:
  5. dustind

    dustind Well-Known Member

    With laws like that. Who's side are the police on? I thought they where supposed to protect citizens, not harass them supposedly for their own good.
  6. thorn726

    thorn726 Well-Known Member

    i love my seatbelt!

    want future genretions not to be annoyed??

    teach yer kids like my parents taught me.

    i have always worn a seatbelt. my dad drives a volvo (inventors of belt) my mom is a nurse.
    we always wore them, i feel naked in the car without it. helps keep me in the seat while driving. anyway point is it only bothers you if you think someone is telling you to put it on.

    you really want to do a 360 faceplant thru the windshield, well i do know a guy with the following signature-
    "stupidity should be painful"

    PS= agioan, like with the helmets= if a bunch of losers who werent wearing seatbelts didnt get hurt and proceed to clog the courts going after $$$$$$
    dollars, if people didnt use up hospitals, E/R services, police with their extra injuries due to lack of belt, it would be no problem.

    you want to use public roads, you deal with the public, and we deal with you.
    dont think most of us want anyone in that belt to protect them- heck, the less of you out there, the more for me (ha ha).
    but say the brakes fail on my big truck= id rather do as little damage to you physically as possible. i feel much better slamming you forwrd in your seat than i do sending you upward, crushing your neck on the roof, then bashing your face against the windshield........

    but hey man , it's up to you. my brakes are good for now............
  7. Jeff

    Jeff Well-Known Member

    Point is, it is no one else's right to force you to wear it. And, someone is telling you to put it on...no thinking about it.

    Stupidity should also be someone's choice.

    Why don't we outlaw motorcycles, since motor cycles don't have seatbelts? Hmmmm? Why don't we mandate helmets for bicycle riding, since they are not already mandated? Hmmmm?

    Why don't we outlaw hang gliding, down hill skiing, big wave surfing, cave diving, motocross racing, rock climbing, etc, since all those activities are actually quite dangerous, and people get killed by them all the time. People file lawsuits for accidents/deaths incurred by those activities all the time. Let's outlaw all of them....hmmmm?

    It's NO ONE'S job to FORCE me to wear a seatbelt......it's NO ONE'S job to protect me from myself when I am an adult who is fully capable of making adult decisions.

    Whether I want to do something stupid or want to live dangerously, it is NO ONE else's right to force me to do otherwise.

    Get it?
  8. ravinraven

    ravinraven Well-Known Member

    I remember back in 1984...

    ...when New York State first introduced this further abomination of the "Get more law into their faces" crowd, the top cop in the state, Thomas Constantine, I believe, said on the radio that the NY State Police would never stop anyone for not having a seat belt on. If they stopped someone for some other violation and the people were unbelted, they'd be ticketed. Right. They are not going to let all that money just roll by now are they?

    An odd bit of trivia on the seatbelt law. Passed in 1984---hmmm. I took up a collection in a bar and raised $20 to send to the first person, a lady from Vermont, who was busted by this idiocy. That made it into the local scandal sheets and, I believe in Rutland, Vt. where she lived.

    More odd, still, A student in a class of mine at a two-year college was the son of the cop that wrote that ticket. He was not proud.

    I chat with a few state cops who do business where I do at times. Many are embarrassed to have to stand in the road and make these idiotic checks. One I know quit in embarrassment. But as we move further along and idiocy is the order of the day, as illustrated by the poster from Berkley, expect to see the country slide further into tyranny.

    One of the highlights of this campaign of idiocy happened when a female cop drove her patrol car into the side of a guy's car trying to see if he had his belt on up here about two towns up the road.

    Also, if you are driving alone and come to a seat belt check point, you have a great chance of getting a ticket, belted or not. The whole idea is criminal activity by the state. If you are running a scam operation, expect scammers to be attracted toward it especially if the scam is "legal."

    An ex-state cop friend of mine said, back in 1982, that 90% of traffic laws are created for or enforced for the sole purpose of raising revenue. Witness the stop light cam scam where one geek figured out that making the yellow light two seconds shorter raised the "take" at a particular intersection by a few hundred thousand a year.

    I am in favor of seat belts. A great idea. They have caused deaths enough times so that their use should be personal choice. On the average, they save lives. Specific instances of them causing death were recorded at least before the law went into effect. Honest cops on occasion, up here anyway, would tell a reporter that so and so would be alive if it hadn't been for the seat belt.
    These cases were obvious. They all concerned small cars that were ripped apart and the occupants dragged out by their seatbelt.

    Boy, you don't wanna state truth like that now if you are a cop or you won't have a job very long.

    Enjoy the ride. This ol' handbasket is approaching warp speed.

  9. Byron Quick

    Byron Quick Moderator In Memoriam

    I think adults should be allowed to wear seat belts or not as they choose. I think the insurance companies should also be allowed to sell policies that require selt belt use (both automobile and medical) and policies (with a much higher premium) which have no such requirements.

    If you're covered by a policy that requires seat belt use and you are found with injuries without one after an automobile accident...then you have no coverage...and the hospital doesn't have to treat you if you can't pay cash...up front.

    Personal responsibility for your actions means more than just doing whatever you please. Your actions affect others. When your actions affect my finances...I get ornery. I don't want laws that force you to do anything that you do not choose to do. I do want laws that prevent your carelessness from affecting my wallet.
  10. Commissar Gribb

    Commissar Gribb Well-Known Member

    tax dollars at work, my friends. ;)
  11. AK-74me

    AK-74me Well-Known Member

    Might be good for teenagers who think it is not cool to put on your seat belt, but at the same time I don't think people should be forced to wear them. Myself I wear it so this doesn't get me one bit upset. Hopefully it will help save a life or two even if it does come from the fear of getting a ticket for buckling up.
  12. Sindawe

    Sindawe Well-Known Member

    Like helmet laws for motorcycle riders....

    seat belt laws :cuss:

    I'll not ride without a helmet, nor will drive/ride in a car without a seat belt. Better if I can use a lap and shoulder belt. But it is the INDIVIDUALS choice to use them, or not.

    "Click it or ticket" laws are revenue generation laws, nothing more.
  13. Jeff White

    Jeff White Moderator Staff Member

    First off let me say I have NEVER written a seatbelt ticket. Of course I've never worked for an agency that required you to. Some agencies do.

    Here in Illinois we have a primary seatbelt law. However when the nanny staters forced a motorcycle helmet law through the legislature the state supreme court declared it unconstitutional! Yep the very same same state supreme court that upheld the seatbelt law as constitutional, struck down the helmet law.

    I have long said that by the time those people who have nothing more important in their life to do but worry about what everyone else is doing, we'll all live in foam rubber rooms, drink only distilled water and only eat a specially blended nutriant....

  14. c_yeager

    c_yeager Well-Known Member

    Ive never supported any kind of seatbelt of helmet law. YES i absolutly use both of them EVERY SINGLE TIME that I am riding or driving and so does anyone else who rides in my car. Its a personal choice that shouldnt be within the bounds of government control.

    I understand the argument that people not wearing seatbelts costs everyone money through medical costs and insurance rates. However the solution to that problem is to fix the insurance and medical systems NOT the limitation of individual liberty.
  15. Third_Rail

    Third_Rail Well-Known Member

    In MA, they are.
  16. Zach S

    Zach S Well-Known Member

    This reminds me of a story.

    Pug didnt have to wear his seatbelt because of, something, I dont really know what, but it was medical. He rolls up to a seatbelt checkpoint and the officer informs him that he should be wearing his seatbelt, and he's getting a ticket because of the governor's "clicket or ticket" program. Pug reaches into his wallet, pulls out the note from his doctor and says "Well, according to this, I dont have to wear my seatbelt, so you can tell Governor Hunt to love it, or shove it." The officer laughed, and then said "I'll be sure to do that."
  17. garyk/nm

    garyk/nm Well-Known Member

    It puzzles me that, given the "it's for the children" mentality of so many nanny-lovers, there are still no seatbelts in school buses.
    One of my co-workers is also a brand spankin' new deputy sheriff. Being a gung-ho newbie, he loves writing tickets. Last week, I noticed him coming up behind me in traffic, lights blazing, so I pulled aside and he flew past, and he pulled over a car. The same car which had just run a red light and was weaving at higher speed thru traffic. I mentioned to him later that I was glad that he had pulled this guy over, and he said the only thing he ticketed the guy for was no seatbelt...hadn't even noticed the other infractions. :banghead:
  18. Third_Rail

    Third_Rail Well-Known Member

    You weren't supposed to notice that.
  19. GigaBuist

    GigaBuist Well-Known Member

    I wear a seatbelt 99.9% of the time and this campaign still annoys me.

    Let's see, you're taking my tax dollars to pay for an advertising campaign to remind me of a law that I don't think should even exist, and using police officers on the public payroll to harass motorists so that you can garner more revenue from the taxpayers. Serve and protect or harass and tax?

    I'm not blaming the officers here... just the idiots that put them up to this.

    So, while we're running this massive click-it-or-ticket campaign around here we had an armed robbery of a gas station. That's not a regular occurance around here, and it makes me wonder if the criminal element considers it to be less risky to pull off a stunt like that when the politicians put the police officers on baby-sitting duty all day.
  20. Igloodude

    Igloodude Well-Known Member

    Jeff, being in Vermont, I'm sure you'll get an extra special laugh out of this one:



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