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I love the .25 ACP!

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by elcaminoariba, Jan 8, 2011.

  1. elcaminoariba

    elcaminoariba member

    I've had so many problems with .22 rimfires (too many duds in bulk packs) that I finally test fired my Jimenez .25 last night. No major problems at all. Enough kick to get your attention. Hollow points available. This thing'll kill an intruder.

    I want to know who else is tired of issues with long cased rimfires and likes the .25 acp. This isn't about a handgun per se, but about the .25 cartridge that so many people like to crap on. I think it makes a great backup.
  2. NukemJim

    NukemJim Well-Known Member

    Yes a .25 can kill someone, no arguments.

    The real question is will it stop an attack before the attacker kills you?

    A syringe full of Ebolavirus contaminated blood that is injected into someone will also kill them but not quickly enough to stop an attacker.

    PS IMHO neither .22 nor .25 are suitable for defensive use unless nothing else is available. This is just my opinion and as always I could be wrong. NJ
  3. elcaminoariba

    elcaminoariba member

    Attackers tend to run the second they discover their victim is armed, even without a shot fired. They really run with a bullet in them (if they can). They usually don't take the time to discuss ballistics when they're bleeding and in a hurry to exit. If they are able to run with a bullet in them, they'll get arrested at the ER if they live long enough. I wouldn't recommend the .25 for bear protection tho :D
  4. Zoogster

    Zoogster Well-Known Member

    A centerfire round is certainly more reliable than a rimfire round.
    From really short barrels it is also often more powerful than a .22LR.

    The downside is the primer itself nevermind the entire round costs as much as a whole .22lr round.
    Removing the typically significant cost savings of a small caliber plinker.

    That may be fine against unarmed people.
    However most situations that will justify lethal force are those where the assailant is armed.
    It is kinda like a good knife, you may be able to defend yourself with it well but considering its use is typically only justified if the attacker is armed, it suddenly seems a lot less adequate.
  5. killchain

    killchain Well-Known Member

    If you're going to go that small, just get a .380acp.
  6. CZ223

    CZ223 Well-Known Member

    Good luck with that

    380 is as small as I go. Also, no matter the cartridge, I want a gun that is reliable. Get an LCP or a Kel-Tec in 380 and you will be much better armed. I saw a used Kel-Tec for $180 the other day and would have bought it if I didn't already own two LCPs.
  7. 1911Tuner

    1911Tuner Moderator Emeritus

    While it's true that most of the time, if someone knows that he's been shot, his first reaction is to try to get to a doctor. He doesn't know what he's been shot with and he doesn't care.

    But don't count on it. With the little bores like the .22 and .25 and even the .32s and .380s...he may not even realize that he's been shot, and if he's determined, he can do you a world of hurt before the shot takes effect...IF it takes effect.

    If all you have is a .22 or a .25, you have to be cold about it. Shoot for an area that will produce pain and fear. Face, neck, and groin shots are the most reliable, and even that may not have the desired effect. Shoot until the gun is empty, or the attacker breaks it off or falls, or until he catches fire.
  8. lloveless

    lloveless Well-Known Member

    I was on the rescue squad. We picked up a 20 year old that had been shot in the forhead with a .25 by his uncle(the kid was drunk and threatening his mother). The kid dropped like a rock. When we got there barely coherent(bullet vs alcohol?). He walked out of the ER 2 hours later and still lives today.
    Like others I would/do carry larger caliber weapons. Very few affordable/good quality arms are made these days for the .25 anyway(Jimenez isn't a quality arm).
  9. 22-rimfire

    22-rimfire Well-Known Member

    I can't say I love the 25ACP. Lots of noise and no punch. With 22's, you need to stop buying bulk packs if you want reliable 22LR ammo. Part of the reliablity issue with 22's is the gun; dirty guns make for more misfires. I would prefer a 22LR myself over the 25ACP even though ignition is technically more reliable in 25ACP. I would choose a revolver, so if there is a misfire, you simply pull the trigger again to cycle the cylinder to the next round. The Smith 317 should do the job just as well or better as a cheapo 25ACP and I would feel safer with it in my pocket. If the small pocket auto is your thing, I'd go with a 380ACP where you begin to see some signficant preformance differences in a pocket auto as compared to the 22LR.

    I have not looked at preformance issues with HP's in 25ACP in a while. Last I recall is that the HP does measurebly no better than ball ammo and ball (FMJ) ammo is more reliable feeding in the little 25 autos.
    Last edited: Jan 8, 2011
  10. heeler

    heeler Well-Known Member

    Perhaps I am just lucky but so far I have never fired a .22 that was a dud.
    Maybe it will happen in the future.
    Some years ago I was reading the rants of some gun guru who said that the .32 ACP was invented to get the .25 ACP off it's knees.
    Or some such.
    I daily carry a .380 and I might under the right circumstances carry a .32 ACP but I think that's as far down the scale as I am willing to go on a daily basis.
  11. vito

    vito Well-Known Member

    Many years ago I owned a "Baby Browning" 25 acp semi auto. It was really tiny. Once when I accidentally took it with me on an airplane (long before screenings, x-ray machines, metal detectors, etc.) it fell from my pocket onto the seat and a passing stewardess (not yet a "flight attendant") said: "Sir, you dropped your cigarette lighter". This was my only handgun for a few years until I was on a camping trip and heard the grunt of what I think was a black bear and looked down at this tiny gun and decided I needed something with a bit more punch. I traded the Browning for a 380 Browning and have regretted giving up this little gun ever since. As I recall it, it was much smaller than the Ruger LCP that I now own, easy to clean and as reliable as the Ruger. I wonder if that little Browning is now worth something had I kept it.
  12. Onmilo

    Onmilo Well-Known Member

    <<<Been looking for a decent Walther Model 8 for several years now.
    Somebody MUST like .25acps because you can't touch a decent Model 8 for less than $600 U.S. now and spare original magazines cost $80-$100 EACH.

    Same thing goes for the Walther TPH in .25 acp but the magazines are a lot less expensive,,,
  13. 22-rimfire

    22-rimfire Well-Known Member

    I ran into a guy that was shot with a 25 auto... the punk emptied the gun on him at close range. I believe he was hit 5 times and still lived. He thought he was dead and saying his prayers.
  14. The Bushmaster

    The Bushmaster Well-Known Member

    I tend to agree with all the above, but where or what .22's are you buying that have duds in them. I've been using CCI Mini Mags for years and haven't had any "duds". They have all went down range. Must be those cheap bulk packs again.
  15. PT1911

    PT1911 Well-Known Member

    Sorry, IMO, the 25 is the most useless caliber in major production. Others may think otherwise, and are more than entitled to their opinion, but honestly, i would rather carry my P-22 loaded with stingers or velocitors than any 25 acp. That said, i will never carry a .22 either unless there is simply no other option, but i cannot foresee any such situation. I will stick to my 9mm, and when occasions required, a .380.

    On that note, i will contribute a story about the power of the 25... a friend's father, while working as CID agent many years ago, was caught up in an altercation when his partner was shot with a 25 acp (shot in the side.) so, the friend falls down, the altercation continues and eventually ends with the "suspect" in cuffs. Upon inspection his partner, my friend's father found that the 25 penetrated the first layer of his partner's leather jacket and ended up stopping in his pocket and left a bruise on the skin beneath (think paintball on bare skin..) SO, to the 25 (which is also more expensive btw) i say no thanks... To the Raven 25, i say HELL NO!

    To end it politely, YMMV!
    Last edited: Jan 8, 2011
  16. 22-rimfire

    22-rimfire Well-Known Member

    CCI Mini Mags are generally THE most reliable 22LR ammo available that is priced modestly. Remington branded 22LR tend to have more misfires than Federal. I would not load a gun used for protection with Remington 22LR ammo unless that is all I had. Not sure about Winchester as I seldom shoot any.
  17. cambeul41

    cambeul41 Well-Known Member

    A female co-worker is a believer in .25. She shot a home invader three times COM, and he had to go to the hospital. But he did so under his own power.
  18. hcso617

    hcso617 Member

    As a Police Officer, I carried a .25 Beretta Jet Fire in my back pocket as my #3 gun. I have to say after seeing a bunch of shootings with that caliber, it's the only gun I have ever sold and not regretted.
  19. AIM

    AIM Contributing Member

    Consider that the muzzle energy of the .25 is only in the 60-80 ft. lbs. range while the .22 Stinger is almost 200 ft. lbs. The .25 is not my idea of a carry or SD gun.
  20. Tommygunn

    Tommygunn Well-Known Member

    My aunt used to carry a .25.
    OTOH I've been told that .22RF is actually more powerful.
    I have .22 weapons but I don't use them for self defense purposes, the smallest I have is .32.
    Really, with the guns available today, a .380 or even a 9mm. would be best.

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