I STILL love my Kel-Tec PMR-30

[Navy_Guns]

Really, that's all I have to say - I just put another 100 rounds through my PMR-30 and I absolutely love it. It's got a decent trigger, SUPER LIGHT, great sights, it's accurate, and a blast to shoot. Yes, it is ugly as sin. I know they're sometimes hard to find, but if you haven't shot one, you really should try one.

 

[BamAlmighty]

I wish they would offer a .22 kit.

 

[intercooler]

Why? Their is a slew of .22's out there already.

What is the cheapets ammo you can get for one or what's your one?

Wonder if they did a 20 round offering for MD residents yet.

 

[Navy_Guns]

Agreed - why neuter a .22 mag/30 round pistol to make a .22 LR version when there are so many other .22 LR pistols out there. If they're going to take the PMR-30 in any direction, I want to see a 16" carbine version that uses the same mags. If it was a bullpup, even cooler!

 

[Coyote3855]

I love mine as well. No feeding or ejection problems after the first couple of mags. It's become my favorite carry gun for working around the ranch or woods loafing.

 

[bigfatdave]

I like mine, too - it eats Fiocchi (sp?) soft points, CCI everything, and the Hornady/Speer defense rounds happily, shoots to POA out to 20-25 yards, and has a pretty nice trigger.

Now I get to wait for the RMR30, I already have extra magazines, so all I'll need for the RMR30 is a little bitty case for it collapsed and maybe some sights or a red-dot if they ship it with an empty rail on top.

 

[Orion8472]

If they MADE a gun that held even 20 rounds, the question would have been asked. A 30 round .22lr would be far better than a .22mag gun. Shooting LOTS of cheap .22lr rounds would win, hands down.

 

[MachIVshooter]

A 30 round .22lr would be far better than a .22mag gun.

That's just your opinion.

The WMR runs considerably faster, even from the short barrel. CCI Stingers (32 gr) hit 1,100 from a 5" barrel, while the 30 gr. TNT load clocks 1,560 from the PMR. If you use the gun in the field like I do, that's worth the extra cost.

Would a .22 LR version be cool? Yeah. Would it have more appeal? That depends entirely on the prospective buyer. To me, it wouldn't.

 

[ole farmerbuck]

Wish I could find one so I could talk about it. No luck so far.

 

[TMann]

I think the biggest problem with the PMR-30 is that they're nearly impossible to find.

TMann

 

[Orion8472]

And Mach, . . . in turn, . . . that is YOUR opinion. Not everyone wants to use this type of gun in the field. Some people like to shoot cheaply, yet NOT have to reload after 10 rounds. My point is equally as valid as yours, and I stand behind my comment. For ME, a .22lr version would be better than .22mag. Same reason why I prefer a semi auto in 9mm over one in 10mm.

 

[MachIVshooter]

And Mach, . . . in turn, . . . that is YOUR opinion.

Of course it is. That's why I said:

Would it have more appeal? That depends entirely on the prospective buyer. To me, it wouldn't.

Clearly stated as opinion, versus:

A 30 round .22lr would be far better than a .22mag gun

Stated as a fact. Do you see the difference? Add "IMO" to the beginning or end of your sentence, and people won't debate you.

 

[bigfatdave]

I'd buy a conversion kit to .22lr if it was available, maybe Twisted Industries will whomp one up like they did for the pf9 and are working on for the p3at/p32

I think the biggest problem with the PMR-30 is that they're nearly impossible to find.

not really, the fiber optic sights and height/width make it easy to find in the handgun rack, even with minimal lighting. It's the only tall skinny one with FO sights in the .22 section.

Wonder if they did a 20 round offering for MD residents yet.

well, they don't bother to do anything to comply with idiotic CA gun "laws" so why would the bother with the smaller population of MD?

 

[intercooler]

I have no idea. Ask them because they said they were working on it.

 

[ozarker]

I think it would be interesting if they would offer it in 5.7x28. Give FN a little competition.

 

[BamAlmighty]

yeah... there are a slew of .22s out there, but name one .22lr pistol that holds 30 rounds in the grip and isn't based on the AR platform. Bueller.. Bueller... Bueller?

For me, it would strictly be a plinker and I'd have a lot more fun with 500 rounds Versus 100 for the same price.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

Agreed - why neuter a .22 mag/30 round pistol to make a .22 LR version when there are so many other .22 LR pistols out there. If they're going to take the PMR-30 in any direction, I want to see a 16" carbine version that uses the same mags. If it was a bullpup, even cooler!

Why Neuter it? Because not everyone that owns or wants a PMR 30 cares for .22 WMR, they just want a high capacity plinker that shoots cheap ammo. I wouldn't get one for it's caliber either, I don't have a need for .22 WMR.

 

[MachIVshooter]

Everyone wanting a .22 LR and wondering why KT didn't do it, there is a good reason. They had enough difficulty getting the longer .22 WMR to work in a straight magazine stacked 15 deep; The shorter LR cartridge compounds the problem presented by the rim. This is why most .22 LR handguns hold 10 rounds or less.

Most higher capacity .22 LR magazines are sharply radiused to compensate for the rim.

IOW, don't hold your breath.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

Everyone wanting a .22 LR and wondering why KT didn't do it, there is a good reason. They had enough difficulty getting the longer .22 WMR to work in a straight magazine stacked 15 deep; The shorter LR cartridge compounds the problem presented by the rim. This is why most .22 LR handguns hold 10 rounds or less.

I know why they didn't do it but I was going against the question that why would you want to neuter .22WMR into a .22LR, not why isn't the PMR 30 a .22 LR?

 

[OARNGESI]

i want to get one just not willing to pay the premium

 

[Orion8472]

Everyone wanting a .22 LR and wondering why KT didn't do it, there is a good reason. They had enough difficulty getting the longer .22 WMR to work in a straight magazine stacked 15 deep; The shorter LR cartridge compounds the problem presented by the rim. This is why most .22 LR handguns hold 10 rounds or less.

Most higher capacity .22 LR magazines are sharply radiused to compensate for the rim.

IOW, don't hold your breath.

Now this argument I can see the point of. Hadn't considered this as a potential issue. I would like to see an exploaded [type] view of the .22mag rounds as they stack in the magazine. I would have thought that the same issue would have affected that round, since they also have the same type of silhouette.

 

[bigfatdave]

no, they don't. They're nearly twice as long and the bullets are installed in the cases in a totally different way, plus they're not externally lubricated with wax.

I expect a PMR30 .22lr conversion kit will have signifigantly reduced capacity, if it ever happens.

 

[MachIVshooter]

I would like to see an exploaded [type] view of the .22mag rounds as they stack in the magazine.

There are two separate columns that join at the top, and the rims in each column are overlapped and staggered. That's why the PMR mags are pie wedge shaped.

The only other pistol I can think of using this design is the Phoenix HP-22

I would have thought that the same issue would have affected that round, since they also have the same type of silhouette.

Like Dave said, they're quite a bit longer, thus the angle created by the rim is less. A longer base on a triangle means a longer hypotenuse and a shallower angle (remember your pythagorean theorum ).

 

[Orion8472]

Dave, Mach, . . . thanks for this bit of information. I sit corrected. I formally take back what I said earlier. Knowledge is power.

I wouldn't mind picking up one of these to see what it's all about. Or maybe find someone that owns one to see if I'd like shooting it.

 

[Mikhail Weiss]

I love mine as well. No feeding or ejection problems after the first couple of mags. It's become my favorite carry gun for working around the ranch or woods loafing.

That's a neat picture. Like the colors, the orange/orange of leather and lichen.