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Identity and Date of Manufacture of S&W Revolvers

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by Brian Williams, Jun 21, 2008.

  1. ki4oyh

    ki4oyh New Member

    If this thread is still active:
    Here's mine:
    a: .44 s&w russian
    b: 6"
    c: round butt
    d: fixed sights
    e: 3745
    f: Mdl 3
  2. texas1776

    texas1776 New Member

    Hi guys..first time to post..
    Have a .38 S&W Spl.....barrell is 1 1/4 inches long. .round grip...serial # is 109723.

    Looks just like .38 in lower photo plus is missing thumbpiece as well...Need help with age, thumbpiece and screw.


    This pistol has some awesome history behind it. Will be posting more about it......

    Last edited: Aug 22, 2011
  3. gbran

    gbran Well-Known Member

    S&W 629-1
    44 mag
    Sq Butt
    AJL 8347
  4. Radagast

    Radagast Well-Known Member

    Late 1985.

    You have a Chiefs Special manufactured in 1956. A good source of parts is Numrich arms: http://www.gunpartscorp.com/ You will want the earlier 'flat latch' if you want to restore it to original condition. In 1957 the Chiefs Special was designated the Model 36.

    AFK for a a while. I'll answer the other questions a little later.
  5. gbran

    gbran Well-Known Member

    Thank you.
  6. Radagast

    Radagast Well-Known Member

    Your gun could be one of several:
    Second Model Russian/Model No.3 Russian 2nd Model. Serial range was 1 to 9000, manufactured 1873 to 1878. Barrel should have "REISSUE" followed by the patent date stamped on it, a long ejector housing, pinned front sight, and a spurred trigger guard. 6 inch barrels are rare and worth a premium.

    Third Model Russian/Model No.3 Russian 3rd Model. Reissue stamp, medium ejector housing, forged front sight, spurred trigger. barrel length was 6.5 inches.
    Manufactured 1874 to 1878.

    new Model Number Three. Non spur trigger. Manufactured in 1878 or 1879.

    .44 Double Action First Model/New Model Navy No.3 Revolver. Manufactured between 1881 & 1899.

    I'm in Australia. Different time zones.
    Model 10-7 .38 Military & Police Tapered Barrel dates to 1978 or 1979.
    Model 18-3 K22 Combat Masterpiece dates to 1972.
    Model 586 Distinguished Combat Magnum dates to 1983.
    There is a recall on the early 586s, withs some magnum ammo it is possible for the primer to flow back into the firing pin bushing and lock up the gun. Under the recall S&W will pay shipping both ways and install a new firing pin and firing bushing. If your gun has already been modified there should be an M stamped under the cylinder yoke near the model number. If your gun hasn't been modified and you want to have it done, give S&W a call and they will send you a shipping label.
  7. VancMike

    VancMike Well-Known Member

    Thanks so much. There's no "M" on the cylinder yoke or anywhere else. Even though there's been many, many rounds fired, that's a good idea. I'll contact S&W.

    I really appreciate all your help. You're doing us all a good service.
  8. ki4oyh

    ki4oyh New Member

    Thank You

    Looks as if it's the 3rd Model. I suspected as much, but had been able to pin it down. Thank you, again.
  9. VancMike

    VancMike Well-Known Member

    one more:

    38 S&W (there is no identification of caliber on the frame or barrel)
    4" barrel
    sq. butt (the lanyard swivel hole may have been plugged or even never drilled)
    fixed sights
    no model #, but cylinder yoke is marked 96936

    Each space between chambers on the cylinder is marked "BNP (and a crown)" "England" is stamped on the cylinder once.

    So it's a Victory?

  10. wrs840

    wrs840 Well-Known Member

    Hi Radagast.

    How about my "new" 617-1, 6"bbl, 6-shot, S&W Logo Factory Rubber Grips (& Round Butt grip frame), color case hardened forged Target Hammer and Trigger...

    BUT, frame NOT drilled and tapped for optics, (which seems out of sync to me for a 617-1 with rubber grips).

    s.n. BUD49xx

    Thanks in advance!
    Last edited: Aug 23, 2011
  11. spm

    spm Well-Known Member

    Mfr date for S&W revolvers

    If this thread is still open.
    Model 37
    .38 spl
    1.78" bbl
    Round butt
    5 shot
    Fixed sights
    Serial #J806444

    Thank you,
  12. Radagast

    Radagast Well-Known Member

    Your Model 37 Chiefs Special Airweight was manufactured in 1981.

    BUDxxxx should date your Model 617-1 K22 Masterpiece Stainless to late 1994 or 1995. You are correct it should have a drilled and tapped frame. The square butt variant was still available in 1994 and was not drilled and tapped. My guess is someone screwed up when putting your gun together.

    You have a British Service Revolver. These were manufactured concurrently with the Victory model. but in .38 S&W with a five inch barrel. Originally supplied under a direct commercial contract, they were later supplied via the US Govt. under the Lend Lease agreement. Its quite likely the barrel was cut back at the same time that the lanyard loop was plugged, but its possible the gun left the factory in that configuration. It was manufactured between late 1941 and late 1943, with 1942/43 being likely.
    96936 is an assembly number used to track parts in the factory, it was not recorded and has no meaning after the gun was completed.
    BNP & crown is a British proof mark, British Nitro Proof. All British issued weapons were proofed with an over pressure load and stamped by a govt. approved proof house.
  13. VancMike

    VancMike Well-Known Member

    Thanks so much....great info!
  14. wendellj

    wendellj New Member

    38 Special

    I've inherited this S&W from father-in-law

    6 shot
    8D18107 ON BUTT

    I'm looking for DOB and value. It's in original box and looks like it's never been fired.

    Attached Files:

  15. Radagast

    Radagast Well-Known Member

    You have a Model 12-3 .38 Military & Police Airweight manufactured in 1981.
    It is an aluminum framed version of the Model 10 .38 Military & Police, hence the 'Airweight' tag.
    The aluminun KA frame is slightly narrower than the steel K frame, so non Model 12 grips may not fit correctly.
    In 2006 the Standard catalog of S&W gave a value of $470 for an as new in box gun. Check online auction sites such as gunbroker or gunsamerica to get a feel for current prices.
  16. Squid6

    Squid6 New Member

    a. .38
    B. 5"
    C. Square
    D. 6
    E. Fixed, Rear sight = groove
    F. 49XXX
    G. 6572 No model stamp, just four digits

    Information will be appreciated.

    Attached Files:

    Last edited: Aug 25, 2011
  17. chromerunner

    chromerunner Well-Known Member

    a) .32 wcf
    b) 4inch
    c) square
    d) 6
    e) fixed front. groove fixed rear
    f) 51162

    Looking for DOB and value

    The pistol has "SPAIN" stamped inbetween the trigger guard and grip.
  18. wrs840

    wrs840 Well-Known Member

    First, Thanks Radagast, for diligently continuing with this service!

    My latest, yeah it has ILS, MIM parts, and the dreaded two-piece barrel, but I had to have it because of the 3"bbl and the outstanding action:

    M64-8, 3"bbl, stainless, fixed sight, round grips.
    s.n. CHT11xx

    Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
  19. Radagast

    Radagast Well-Known Member

    2004 or early 2005. S&W were at CHMxxxx in July 2004, which is as far as the serail ranges in the Standard Catalog of S&W go. The two piece barrel was introduced in 2004, the three inch barrel version of the Model 64 had the product code 162504, I have a sneaking suspicion the 2 piece barrel version may have had product code 162505.

    If your gun is a S&W then it is a .32-20 Hand Ejector Model of 1905 3rdth Change manufactured between 1909 & 1915 in the serial range 45201 to 65700.
    if it a S&W then your gun predates heat treatment of cylinders, so don't shoot hot hand loads. Definitely don't shoot any old jacketed ammo marked Hi-Speed as this was rifle only ammunition and had a reputation for bulging the barrels on S&W revolvers.
    If it is a S&W it also predates the modern hammer block safety. If dropped it could fire, so leave the chamber under the hammer empty.
    As your gun is marked Spain I have a feeling it is one of many counterfeit guns imported in the 1920s & 30s, these were made from iron or pot metal, not fron steel and are often unsafe to shoot. I suggest you post some pics in the firearms research subforum to get some advice on this.
    If a Spanish gun value is less than $100. If a S&W value is dependent upon condition, in very good to excellent condition it may be worth $400 to $800 to a collector. The trick is finding a collector willing to pay that. :)

    you have a .38/44 Heavy Duty (Pre-war). This was a .38 Special chambering of the .44 sized N frame revolver. High speed ammunition was available for use in this gun, effectively it was the ancestor of the .357 Magnum. With the advent of the .357 Magnum sales began to decline and it was eventually discontinued in 1966. Your gun has magna grips, if original it dates your gun to the period 1938-1940. The grips should have the serial number of the gun they were fitted to on the inside of the grip panel. The Nickel and Magnas make it desirable from a collectors stand point. Members Peter M Eick & Saxon Pig have a number of Heavy Dutys, a search on their names will bring up several discussion threads.
  20. Squid6

    Squid6 New Member


    Thank you for your information. I will check the grips for sn, and follow the reference.

    Thanks again.

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