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If the Germans have no problem with ARs then why do our Antis

Discussion in 'Activism' started by hso, Jan 27, 2013.

  1. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member


    A friend of mine, and a fellow THR member, has been working in Germany for the past several years. We were having our nearly weekly Sunday morning chat and we were talking about the Sig 716. I asked if he could purchase it there in Germany and he said he didn't know, but he knew he could buy the equivalent and pointed me to the Oberland website.

    We can see the Germans have no problem with modern sporting rifles or their magazines. We can see the Germans have a lower violent crime and murder rate than in the U.K. (which is touted by Antis as the "gold standard" for firearms laws).

    Every time we see someone tell us that we have a violent crime problem because of these firearms and magazines we now have an example from Germany to point out that you can walk up to the gun counter and purchase in a country with a lower murder rate than the U.K. so the guns/mags can't be a problem w.r.t. violent crime rates.
  2. JohnsXDM

    JohnsXDM Well-Known Member

    You did notice it only comes with a 10 round magizine
  3. TheGloriousTachikoma

    TheGloriousTachikoma Well-Known Member

    But on their site they say they sell their 30-round pmag-copies to German and EU citizens
  4. MilitisDeii

    MilitisDeii Member

    To buy any kind of firearm in Germany you have to be the member
    of a shooting club for 1 year and pass a test or get your hunting license (which is rather complicated and expensive). But once you have accomplished that you can buy almost anything you like, as long as it's not full auto. This includes AR 15 style rifles. In fact there are some German AR manufacturers like Schwaben Arms or Schmeisser.

    There is no limit on how many rounds a magazine can hold. Magazines are not considered gun parts and can be freely purchased without any license or proof of age.
  5. -v-

    -v- Well-Known Member

    Also, correct me if I am wrong, but in Germany you can own it, but you can't keep it at home and you must leave it locked up at the gun club.
  6. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

    My friend has a small gun safe in his little apartment that holds his rifles.
  7. Ryanxia

    Ryanxia Well-Known Member

    That's great. I didn't think Germans were allowed to own firearms (something about being part of the terms after WWII) but either those restrictions were lifted or I was mistaken.

    Either way glad they have something anyways.
  8. MilitisDeii

    MilitisDeii Member

    Some Politicians proposed a law which would force shooters to leave their guns at the shooting club. Fortunately this legislation never passed.

    You have to keep them in a certified gun safe but they can be at your home.
  9. denster

    denster Well-Known Member

    The reason for the focus on AR's and high cap magazines at the moment is because they were used in Aurora CO, Newtown CN and Upstate NY and the antis can gin up some public sentiment against them and maybe get something banned. It doesn't have to mnake any rational sense. Remembere their agenda is to dssasemble the second ammendment piecemiel.
  10. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

    We're not trying to reach the Antis, we're reaching out to the people they're lying to.

    If we can debunk and defuse their lies we can return close to the status quo and kill this current push.

    This struggle is one we'll fight for years. Each round has to be fought individually. Each round has to be won individually.
  11. Sam Cade

    Sam Cade Member


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