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(IL) Sheriff wants to melt down Dillinger's Tommy gun

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Drizzt, Dec 27, 2002.

  1. Drizzt

    Drizzt Well-Known Member

    Sheriff wants to melt down Dillinger's Tommy gun

    December 27, 2002


    A Tommy gun stolen by John Dillinger after a brazen 1934 jail escape in Indiana could soon be molten steel.

    Newly elected Lake County, Ind., Sheriff Roy Dominguez--no fan of Dillinger because he killed a cop--is thinking about throwing the infamous Colt Thompson submachine gun into a furnace at one of the county's steel mills. History experts say the gun could be worth $1 million.

    "I see no sense in glorifying him or that gun...[the Tommy gun] was used in the commission of a felony," Dominguez said. "I would consider melting it down or find another way to properly dispose of it.

    "By giving it notoriety continues the glorification of John Dillinger, which I think is wrong," said Dominguez, who takes office next Wednesday.

    Dillinger made off with two Tommy guns after he broke out of Lake County Jail on March 3, 1934. One of them belonged to Lake County; the other was on loan from neighboring Porter County.

    The guns were thought to be lost until a gun-tracking expert found both of them in FBI storage in Washington, D.C. Porter County got its gun back last year and Lake County a few months later.

    Lake County's gun hasn't been on display much; it was only last month that outgoing Lake County Sheriff John Buncich publicly displayed it for the first time.

    Tony Stewart, an expert on early American crimes and author of Dillinger, The Hidden Truth , points to the historical significance of the Indiana outlaw.

    "Dillinger was a very important factor to the FBI's existence in the '30s. It's true, with Congress breathing down the bureau's neck, the FBI was in trouble. [Director J. Edgar] Hoover needed a big catch to save the bureau," Stewart said.

    But Dominguez and other Lake County officials said they see no reason to preserve the gun.

    "I don't think [having the gun melted] would destroy history," said Dominguez.

    It has not been proved that Lake County's gun was used to kill anyone, but it is believed to have been used by Dillinger and his cohorts in the holdup of three or four banks following their Crown Point jailbreak. History buffs say the gun could fetch as much as $1 million at auction, but Lake County officials said they can't sell the gun.

    Lake County sheriff's spokesman Loy Roberson said there is no documentation for the gun ownership and that selling it would violate the federal firearms act.

    "You cannot get it titled. It doesn't have paperwork," Roberson said. "You can't sell something if you don't have paper on it. It belongs to the Lake County Sheriff's Department, but we don't have title paper on it."

    The other gun stolen with the Lake County weapon is on display at the Porter County sheriff's office. The only catch: It's in the department's training room, which is not open to the public.

  2. El Tejon

    El Tejon Well-Known Member

    Another "victory" for gun control!:rolleyes:
  3. Hkmp5sd

    Hkmp5sd Well-Known Member

    What an idiot.
  4. blades67

    blades67 Well-Known Member

    Dominguez is an idiot. [​IMG]
  5. Chaz

    Chaz Well-Known Member

    LOL!! Now That is a funny play on words.

    Ever here of loaning it to a museum, idiot? Why trash an american antique with such a history? A complete case of rectal-cranial inversion if I ever heard one.
  6. WonderNine

    WonderNine member

    Exactly, it should go to a museum. In what way is that "glorifying it"?

    God damned braindead sheriff.
  7. Tommy.Gun

    Tommy.Gun member

    I for one am very upset...:mad:
  8. gryphon

    gryphon Well-Known Member

    Some people collect Nazi memorobilia, not because they are paying homage or supporting the Nazi cause, but because they are parts of world history.

    I wonder how people get elected sometimes. :mad:
  9. Nathaniel Firethorn

    Nathaniel Firethorn Well-Known Member

    Melt down that sheriff's badge.

    - pdmoderator
  10. Tommy.Gun

    Tommy.Gun member

    Melt down the sheriff... :eek:
  11. Redlg155

    Redlg155 Well-Known Member

    Well..if the people in his country feel as strongly about it as we do they will hopefully voice their concerns. His is an elected position and he could very well find himself out on his ear.

    Hmm..let see. The weapon belongs to the Sheriffs Dept, which in turn belongs to the County. I'm sure the County Commisioners will have something to say about the potential loss of a million dollars revenue.

    A million dollars could provide for new patrol cars, equipment, and increased salaries for the officers. Even a Dare car or two and support for a local program.

    Not being able to sell it because there is no document of ownership is a crock. They could permanently alter the weapon to a non firing status and then sell it as a historical artifact.

    Or better yet, donate it to a museum.

    Good Shooting
  12. 2nd Amendment

    2nd Amendment member

    I am always amazed at what gets elected in the PRI. is there something in the water over there, or what? Indiana? Pretty normal, cross the line and the whole damn state over there is just bizarre.
  13. Gordon

    Gordon Well-Known Member

    Like it or not guys it COULD be dewated cosmetically enough to still be worth 6 figures to county, but oh what the hell they can always gouge the taxpayers for more $ and kill the nasty gun!:mad:
  14. Blueduck

    Blueduck Well-Known Member

    :confused: at the tone here...

    For one he's a sheriff saying he's going to obey the law in that since it was not registered it can't be sold thats it. How many elected officials would be whining that the laws don't apply to his Department only the sheeple or that they should be given special treatment because it's a million dollars, or trying to just genreally weasel their way around the law?

    Second with all the recent anger about the glorification of crimminals (Charlie Mansons CD, thug rappers etc.) it brings up an interesting point of exactly how much time has to pass before a murdering thug becomes a "historical figure". Think maybe one day your great grandchildren will be watching serials about the life and times of O.J. Simpson (that wascally OJ got away again!) or visiting the Washington Snipers museum...
  15. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

    I thought Illinois had a BIG budget deficit this year?

    So this Bozo wants to BURN! A Million dollars just to "Feel Good?"

    It is amazing that retards such as this reach high office.
  16. Kevinch

    Kevinch Well-Known Member

    Stupid. Just plain stupid. Give the gun to a museum if you want, but don't destroy the history.

    The guy is a jerk.
  17. Sleeping Dog

    Sleeping Dog Well-Known Member

    This sheriff reminds me of the Taliban a few years ago, when they blew up some ancient statues of Buddha.

    It's just pointless destruction. Melt down the gun, and WALLAH, there never was a Chicago gang scene during prohibition. Moron.

  18. 4v50 Gary

    4v50 Gary Moderator Staff Member

    Bozo should consider donating it to the Smithsonian. They don't want ordinary guns but guns associated with notable figures in history. That Thompson SMG is such a gun and it would earn Bozo a permanent place in the records of the Smithsonian.

    Then again, he could give it to any of us.
  19. 444

    444 Well-Known Member

    Something I don't understand is why he doesn't just leave the gun alone. It has been around for what ? 80 years ? It isn't eating anything. Why not just put it in the arms room and be done with it ? Forget selling it, forget donating it. Just put it back where he found it and leave it alone.

    PS, I don't really want an answer, I know the answer.

    Someone earlier brought up a valid point. This is the property of the sheriffs department. The sheriffs department is a government agency. The governments of this country are supposed to be a goverment of the people. Therefore the gun belongs to the people. It isn't his gun. It isn't the sheriffs departments gun. It belongs to the people. Therefore he is talking about destroying public property paid for by the taxpayers of this country.
  20. Hkmp5sd

    Hkmp5sd Well-Known Member


    There is a quite a difference between Charles Manson, who is alive and in prison, writing and recording songs that are then distributed around the world on CD and a single piece of history from a guy that's been dead for 75 years. Bet you won't find one single website dedicated to rehabilitating Dillinger's record. There are several that claim Manson is innocent and are seeking his release.

    Part of Dillinger's fame came from the equally egotistical Hoover. This gun is a piece of American history. The person wanting to melt it down probably has no idea on the legality of transferring machineguns. Since the FBI finally won the war with Dillinger, I'd bet the would LOVE someone to DONATE that specific Thompson to their museum.

    This is just some arbitrary decision by some politician that temporarily has a badge.

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