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Illegals get Drivers License

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Ol' Badger, Sep 3, 2003.

  1. Ol' Badger

    Ol' Badger Well-Known Member

    I just read an artical that Kali is going to give Illgeals in their state Drivers License's. If we now give illegals the right to drive, why not let them caryy guns? Thoughts please.
  2. TarpleyG

    TarpleyG Well-Known Member

    First off, it's a "privilege" to drive, not a right and I don't agree with what Kali is doing. And, being that these illegals are not citizens, I don't think they have earned the "right" to keep and bear arms per our constitution.

  3. STW

    STW Well-Known Member

    However, since CA simply requires a drivers license, proof of residence like a utility bill, and a HSC card there will be nothing to prevent them (unless they are already flagged as illegal in the system from being caught before.):banghead:
  4. Steve Smith

    Steve Smith Moderator Emeritus

    The right to carry a gun is a human right and is not a priveledge of being American. These folks already have the right to carry. They have since they were born, just as you and I.

    Everyone has the right. Some rights are infringed upon by tyrannical governments, both foreign and domestic.
  5. Mostly Harmless

    Mostly Harmless Well-Known Member

    The Constitution doesn't grant any rights. It merely prohibits the US government from infringing upon the pre-existing God-given rights of the people who it serves. Citizens, non-citizens, residents or visitors makes no never mind, the right of self-defence and to be secure in one's person trumps any and all governments.

    The legality, or not, of one's presence in this country has got nothing to do with one's right to self-defence.

  6. DJJ

    DJJ Well-Known Member

    Kern County (and maybe others) uses drivers licenses as well as voter registrations to draw people for jury duty. Does this mean we might have illegals for jurors? :fire:
  7. kenehsr

    kenehsr Well-Known Member

    :cuss: All it means is more money in the politicians pocket and the illegals vote.:cuss:
  8. AZTOY

    AZTOY Well-Known Member

    Tinfoil hat on!!

    Pres Fox + Mexico + illegal immigration + Drivers Licenses + voting + guns + Cruz Bustamante + race + MEChA = AZTLAN

    AZTLAN refers to the U.S. southwestern states which MEChA claims were stolen from Mexico (disclaiming the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, $15 million paid, etc.), must be reconquered ("Reconquista") and reclaimed for Mexico. :uhoh:

    Tinfoil hat off!!
  9. Hkmp5sd

    Hkmp5sd Well-Known Member

    Something even worse...

    NY is proposing allowing legal aliens to vote in local/state elections.
  10. Destructo6

    Destructo6 Well-Known Member

    It also means that I could potentially have a dozen different aliases, each with an official CA driver's license to back the charade. If I were a little more devious, I could probably figure out a way to vote that many times as well: a force multiplier of sorts.
  11. Ala Dan

    Ala Dan Member in memoriam

    Greeting's All-

    Kind'a like an ole' gentleman from Memphis that we
    arrested several year's back. When asked for his D/L,
    he gave the arresting officer what appeared to be
    UN (United Nations) drivers license. They looked to
    be offical, so the female officer began running the
    D/L number thru N.C.I.C.; looking for any hit's on a
    signal "10-29" (check records for wanted).

    Well, the number(s) could not be verified and kept
    coming back "NOT ON FILE". So, the suspect was
    brought into headquarter's for further identification.
    Making a long story short, everything about this
    "FOOL" was bogus!:uhoh: His SSN number came
    back to "Bro Bill Clinton" and he even had a fake TN
    license plate; looking much like an "Olympic" plate
    with the words "Import/Export" along with the
    number. Those too, were "NOT ON FILE".

    To sum up, the perp was ID'ed by the U.S. Secret
    Service; and charged accordingly for using "Bro's"
    SSN number. Turns out, the old fart had 17
    prior arrest; all firearms related. Hell, he may still
    be in somebody's jail?

    Best Wishes,
    Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
  12. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    States claim driving is a so-called "privilege," but it's a right like any other—and can be forfeited by abusing it.

    I believe illegal aliens have an intrinsic human right to keep and bear arms, but only in their own countries. The moment they invade the United States, they're felons.

    Of course, the leftist extremists in the People's Republic of California are passing out drivers' licenses like penny candy in the hope of winning votes. The difference between a $25 street hooker and the average leftist extremist politician is the price.
  13. morganm01

    morganm01 Well-Known Member

    They can already go down to the post office and fill out a voter registration card. I doubt they would go to jury duty though, there are no consequences for them for skipping it.
  14. Double Naught Spy

    Double Naught Spy Sus Venator

    Tarpley, I think you failed Constitutional law. You don't earn the rights of the Constitution. If one had to earn the rights of the Constitution, you can bet there would be a lot of Americans too lazy to put forth the effort. While there may be some restrictions on a few aspects pertaining to foreigners (such as not being able to vote), the Constitution covers all people within the borders of the US. Life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, freedom of speech, and even the right to bear arms (limited status restrictions) are included. Check the yellow form the next time you buy a gun. There is a slot for specific information required from foreigners buying guns.

    If the right to bear arms was a human right, earthly right, God-given right, or any other such classifiers, then laws pertaining to gun ownership would not change with borders.
  15. 10-Ring

    10-Ring Well-Known Member

    NO!!! Leave this issue up to the people, not to a governor 1/2 way out the door! Don't reward people here illegally :cuss:
  16. SIGarmed

    SIGarmed Well-Known Member


    Motor voter registration + 2 Million illegals = VOTER FRAUD

    There is no provision to check that they are legitimate. Also illegal hispanics are what most people have in mind when they think of illegal aliens. What about the illegal al queda members, and criminals who will take advantage of this stupid excuse of a liberal screw up? One thing the idiots never mention is how disengenious their stupid illegal license act is because there is reciprocity in California as far as drivers licenses are concerned.
    If you have a Mexican drivers license that will suffice in California!

    There is no check for legality when registering to vote. You check the little box that says under penalty of purjury you are a citizen. You go to your polling place, and simply vote because as far as they are concerned you are a legal illegal. The polling people where you vote can't check for legitimacy.

    You think I'm wearing a tin foil hat? I'm an American of Mexican descent living in Los Angeles.
  17. jims98z28

    jims98z28 Well-Known Member

    So if any illegal can get a DL, what will happen when I go out of state to say Las Vegas and get stopped. Will my DL work? There is no way to tell if I'm a legal citizen. Will I need a f-ing passport to leave the state?
    This is past rediculous and a sad attempt by the left to win this election.
  18. Cal4D4

    Cal4D4 Well-Known Member

    SSN not to be used as ID, Kali DL handed out at the border crossing, voting rights to anyone with a desire to vote. Kind of a novel social experiment. Check back in a few election cycles and see how we are doing, amigo.
  19. TarpleyG

    TarpleyG Well-Known Member

    What Standing Wolf said...

  20. seeker_two

    seeker_two Well-Known Member

    I'll bet it won't be long before some states (Texas, hopefully) will pass laws rescinding the DL reciprocity with California for this reason--just like several states are refusing to recognize gay marriages occurring in Hawaii & other states. If "Grey-out" Davis succeeds in this, CA licenses won't be worth the paper they're printed on.

    (Of course, this will mean that, due to the inconvienience, the Feds will introduce its own ID card that will be accepted nationwide. At first, it will be voluntary to join (so Calif. citizens won't be inconvenienced when they leave the state), but it will soon become mandatory throughout the nation.)

    "Your papers, please...." :fire:

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