I'm not a brand basher, BUT.......

[Kiln]

Edited my original remark. I'm not going to play this game.

Kiln, snide comments serve no purpose.

If you dissagree with something I've said, then say so. Don't be passive aggressive.

If you don't like that most people would agree that ROF guns are considered poor choices for a SD gun, that is your right. So start a thread supporting this idea and talk about it. I'm sure some people will agree with you, and you can have a nice conversation. Just coming in here and saying "It's the magazines" doesn't make ROF guns better though.

By the way:



(Continuing the conversation now)

I agree, you can make any gun, or any machine for that matter, run reliably with enough time, effort, work, and money. But, what's your point? How does that make a poorly made gun that is unreliable from the factory, and may have questionable durability, anything other than what it is? Now it is a reliable poorly made gun that may have questionable durability. If you enjoy fixing up beaters, then enjoy. The bottom line is that it is still a questionable choice, and if you walk into a LGS or chain, trying to sell a Jenning's, and say "Yeah it's a Jenning's, but I did a bunch of work on it and it is reliable as all get out." The person behind the counter is still going to think "It's still a Jenning's"

There is a reason they aren't still in business.

A company actually makes the exact same guns so your point is null.

Jennings was shut down by ridiculous lawsuits stemming from negligent use of their guns back when anybody could press charges against the manufacturer when a gun was used in a crime.

I'm not saying that a cheap gun is ideal but they can be good enough.

And just to clarify, larger caliber ROF guns have serious durability issues. The .22 and .25 versions though can last a long time and can be reliable by anyone with even a moderate understanding of how firearms work.

 

[mcdonl]

Ok what is ROF?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Kiln]

ROF is an acronym for Ring of Fire. A name that the media assigned cheap zamak pocket pistols during the 80's.

They also fired a pretty successful smear campaign against the companies associated and shut a large portion of them downwith liability lawsuits.

 

[jimmyraythomason]

CHL class? Oh, yeah, I guess some of you live somewhere else. Here we just give you a license and send you out to create havoc in public

Alabama the Beautiful(and armed!). Pass the background check,pay $20 (in my county)....done.

 

[CZguy]

Alabama the Beautiful(and armed!). Pass the background check,pay $20 (in my county)....done.

Well, that's exactly how it should be done.

 

[Arkansas Paul]

Alabama the Beautiful(and armed!). Pass the background check,pay $20 (in my county)....done.

Yeah, not only do we have to take the class, but it costs a little at first too.
Class is $100 and then it's like $150ish when you submit your application to the State Police.
Its looking up for us in Arkansas though. We got church carry passed, and I'm pretty sure that open carry is on the agenda before session is over. So, we're actually passing pro-2A legislation instead of trying to restrict it more.

 

[Chris-bob]

You have to have permission to carry concealed...? Crazy talk there.

Back on subject, I've owned a fair number of cheap pistols. I've found that the main issues they have can be corrected with the right ammo(can take a while to find what works best) and how you hold the firearm. That, at least, has been my experience.

 

[sixgunner455]

Old, old man that held his beautiful old Colt Detective Special in hands that just shook all over the place. An essential tremor, or a palsy of some kind.

I want to be able to say that his hands stopped shaking as he fired, but I'd be lying. They shook still, but it was, at best, a bit less. He still hit the close-range targets within the chest area, though. 5 yards or so, 12" group or so.

 

[Deus Machina]

I know of at least one Lorcin (Or Raven, or some other clone) in .25 that worked flawlessly in the time I had to inspect it.

Not that it was well made. It's my thought that the 'break in' period consists of the feed lip of the magazine bending into proper place from where it was over-bent and/or the feed ramp smoothing out, and it works fine for a short while. Then the terribly cheap magazine bends out of spec or the feed ramp comes out of shape, and it's never right again.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

Alabama the Beautiful(and armed!). Pass the background check,pay $20 (in my county)....done.

Only $10 here. The best part is that when you fill out the application at the cop shop, they photocopy it, hand you the copy, and that is your temporary permit. So you can walk in, fill out the form, get finger printed, and 20 minutes later you are allowed to carry. I love my home.

 

[rondog]

There was a lady in my CCW class that brought a brand-new Walther PPK/S, and it jammed constantly on the firing line. I wasn't impressed with it.

 

[jimmyraythomason]

Only $10 here. .........walk in, fill out the form, get finger printed

I'll gladly pay the extra $10 not to be fingerprinted!