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Incident at Oglala: The Leonard Peltier Story

Discussion in 'Legal' started by NIGHTWATCH, Jun 20, 2005.

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    NIGHTWATCH Well-Known Member


    I just purchased this excellent documentary from Amazon.com and viewed it for the first time. I highly suggest adding it to your library.

    An Online Review...

    As you probably already know, this film concerns the blatantly unfair trail and conviction of Leonard Peltier, for the alleged crime of murdering two FBI agents at the Pine Ridge Reservation in 1975. The documentary begins by putting the incident in its proper perspective by showing that the Pine Ridge Reservation, at that time, had one of the highest per capita murder rates in the entire US, with the vast majority of those crimes, even today, still filed as "unsolved" (Check out Ward Churchill's "Indians are Us" and Agents of Repression for a detailed account of the killings in question). In fact, from 1973 to 1976 at least 69 Aim members and supporters were murdered and not one person was ever convicted, or even investigated, for these brutally horrific crimes. Why were these deaths not investigated you may ask. It is because the victims were primarily American Indians involved with AIM who were actively involved in the struggle to retain the lands lawfully granted to them in the Fort Laramie Treaty of 1868 against the federal gov't and the corrupt, unelected BIA administration of Dick Wilson. Many have openly claimed that Wilson and his so-called "goon squad" were responsible for these killings, but no investigation was ever conducted by State law enforcement officials or by the FBI; and yet the incident that led to the shooting that left two agents and one Indian dead, centered around an investigation concerning a pair of STOLEN COWBOY BOOTS. You can draw your own conclusions from that.

    Although three men were originally charged with the murder of the agents in a separate trial preceding Peltiers illegal extradition from Canada, the first two defendants were determined to be not guilty of all charges their acts viewed as self defense. After this embarrassment the FBI decided that Peltier would be convicted at all costs and set about the task of constructing a case against him. After a trial marred by official perjury, witness intimidation and clearly manufactured evidence, Leonard Peltier alone was convicted, but then, only after the original judge was inexplicably removed from the case and replaced with one "friendly" to the FBI by a prejudiced jury of his white peers. This film shows the disturbing details surrounding how Peltier was ultimately convicted by this court presided over by an obviously prejudiced judge and jury on what amounts to a mountain of manufactured evidence, witness tampering, and lies.

    As the film and the FBI's own evidence shows there is absolutely no proof that has not been exposed as fraud, that links Peltier to the murder weapon or the red van (Peltier drove a pickup truck) that the agents reportedly followed onto the reservation. The FBI goes so far as to argue that people in this part of the country call a pickup truck a van and vice versa to explain just one glaring inconsistency in the governments case. The FBI's own statements are filled with inconsistencies and outright falsehoods, which resulted in the Federal Judge Edward McManus of the first trial harshly rebuking them for their shameful, reckless and unlawful behavior. In the video the FBI spokesman's dishonesty is clearly, if not painfully, apparent. Simply watch this video and decide for yourself. You will be surprised and certainly appalled by what you see.
  2. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    Nope. I don't waste my time reading anything by known liars and lefitst extremists.

    That's not to say Peltier was or wasn't framed, but Ward Churchill is an avowed enemy of the truth.
  3. Pilgrim

    Pilgrim Well-Known Member

    Right next to your copies of "Bowling for Columbine" and "Fahrenheit 911"?

  4. Cosmoline

    Cosmoline Well-Known Member

    It raises some interesting questions. I certainly don't trust Hoover's boys. It's interesting viewing for the tactical questions it raises, apart from any political issues. The agents went up against a line of rifles with revolvers and the results were pretty easy to predict.
  5. scubie02

    scubie02 Well-Known Member

    you can read about it here


    leonard peltier is nothing less than a political prisoner. One key bit of evidence against Peltier

    "(11) Critical ballistic information reflecting Mr. Peltier's innocence was withheld from the defense team, making a fair trial impossible. Specifically, at the trial, the FBI ballistic expert, Evan Hodge, testified that he had been unable to perform the best test, a firing pin test, on certain casings found near the agents' car, because the rifle in question had been damaged in a fire. Instead, he stated that he had conducted an extractor mark test, and found the casing and weapon to match.

    Years later, documents obtained through the Freedom of Information Act showed that in October 1975 a firing pin ballistic test had indeed been performed on the rifle and that the results were clearly negative. In short, the fatal bullet did not come from Leonard Peltier's weapon. The jury never heard about any of these crucial issues."

    The fact that ward churchill is a somewhat detestable fellow in no way negates the injustice done to peltier
  6. Zundfolge

    Zundfolge Well-Known Member

    Someone's been listening to too much Rage Against The Machine. :rolleyes:

    Yeah, Leonard Peltier is innocent ... so's OJ ... so's Michael ... Tupac is a saint :rolleyes:

  7. beerslurpy

    beerslurpy member

    Peltier really is innocent though. Regardless of what side you come down on re: cowboys vs indians, you have to admit that injustice is injustice.

    And I think Mumia is guiltier than OJ, and I thought OJ was pretty damn guilty.
  8. DMF

    DMF Well-Known Member


    You know scubie, I find it very interesting the people opposing Peltier's release encourage people to get both sides of the story, yet those who support it do not. There is no such encouragement for "concerned readers" at the site you provided. Do you think there might be a reason for that?

  9. GT

    GT Well-Known Member

    Had to laugh at the Ward Churchill reference.

    Advice: if you are trying to convince me of the truth of your argument please avoid referring to liars, plagiarists and self-aggrandizing Rambo wannabees (or in his case all three).


    NIGHTWATCH Well-Known Member

    Huh? :scrutiny:

    Have you even seen this film? Can you give me one example in the subject film that is anti-gun? Anti-Bush? This documentary was done over ten years ago. It has nothing in it that can be related to "Bowling for Columbine" or Fahrenheit 911" or Bush.

    You are not making any sense. You have not watched the film. Rent it.
  11. boofus

    boofus Guest

    Peltier is one of the Left's pet projects which leads me to believe he actually is guilty of the crimes he was convicted of. He is in good company with Abu Jamal and other cop killers which the criminal lobby calls 'political prisoners'.

    May he rot in federal prison until he dies.
  12. DMF

    DMF Well-Known Member

    NW, the common theme of the three films is not about being anti-Bush, or anti-gun, it's that all three are anti-truth. Somehow I'm not surprised you failed to pick up on that.
  13. Ezekiel

    Ezekiel Well-Known Member

    I never cared for Peltier's defense: "I didn't shoot your agents".

    My defense would have been, "Damned right I shot your agents and here is why!" (Followed by a full recount of self-defense.)

    As an American Indian living in Leavenworth -- the town -- until recently, I think he shot 'em, or, at least, AT them. Doesn't matter to me: fess up with an affirmative defense.

    Yeah, he's a political pawn, but he did/does it to himself.

    NIGHTWATCH Well-Known Member


    What I have picked up on is that bigotry is bad on THR, unless it is conservative bigotry. And that TRUTH is subject to party affiliation and not common sense here.

    Robert Redford narrates the entire documentary. The last thing Redford is is a left-wing liar. But then did you know this? Of course not because you did not take the time to rent the film (like many others) who commented.
  15. boofus

    boofus Guest

    Quote direct from Redford when interviewed on that bastion of unbiased journalism NPR:
    Naw, that doesn't sound biased at all. Screw Redford and Peltier and the rest of the Left.
  16. Zundfolge

    Zundfolge Well-Known Member

    Yeah ... self-defense ... because FBI agents are all trained to hit targets at 250+ yards with their .38 pistols, so shooting them from that distance (then driving up for a Coup-de-Grâce on the one who survived but was incapacitated) is CLEARLY self-defense :rolleyes:

    Holy Cats! Its clear you have no idea who Robert Redford is ... he's a long-standing and proud left-wing liar!
  17. Jammer Six

    Jammer Six member

    Then you haven't been paying attention.

    The lesson was vocabularly, nothing more.
  18. secamp32

    secamp32 Well-Known Member

    Redford is far to the left of center. And he is a fan of Che Guevara, who was a terrorist.

    From the limited reading I've done Peltier is guilty as sin.
  19. 2nd Amendment

    2nd Amendment member

    After casually reviewing Peltier's story over the years, it's vaguely interesting to me, I've come to a couple conclusions: I have no idea if Peltier is innocent, but I do know that, based on evidence the jury never heard and how the government handled the entire trial, that said trial was a mockery. Peltier should have been retried, from scratch, without all the machinations. That would have settled this years ago.

    Peltier may be a political pawn of his own making, but the chess game being played is all the fault of government stupidity. As usual.
  20. Cosmoline

    Cosmoline Well-Known Member

    The FBI's tactics didn't make them right. It just made them very stupid. The FBI made similar mistakes in Miami.

    Frankly I'll believe Redford and the left wingers over the feds any day. The leftists are annoying, but the feds are evil.
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